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Stream Access?

i will tell you , if you trespass on their property , they will prosecute you to full extent of the law . New jersey fish n game , looks at the river as if pay taxes , you own it , they don t play games so if you don't want to catch the criminal charge for trespassing , don,t do it . with all the water in this state , and PA & NY , you can find plenty of fish.and hogs to.
 
Sorry to threadjack, but it is somewhat on topic...I was at a festival (NJ Wine) at a park in Peapack yesterday and noticed a river running through the park. I think it is the north branch of the Raritan. I asked a Peapack police officer about any regulations on the river or whether it is public access. He said that part of it is open to fishing, but part is not, even within the park. There is a landowner adjacent to the park who has hassled the town about restricting fishing on his segment of river, claiming that he owns it. Wouldn't that only be possible if he owns both banks?

The officer thinks that the town just surrendered that segment of river to avoid the effort of contesting the claim.
 
i will tell you , if you trespass on their property , they will prosecute you to full extent of the law . New jersey fish n game , looks at the river as if pay taxes , you own it , they don t play games so if you don't want to catch the criminal charge for trespassing , don,t do it . with all the water in this state , and PA & NY , you can find plenty of fish.and hogs to.



And why wouldn't they...we all know that they waste, I mean pay a ton of money so they can fish for those alpo fed trout.....these clubs are a freakin joke, as someone put it so eloquently in another thread pertaining to this subject, most of these guys join and fish these clubs so that they can be a part of some sort of elitist bs, and thumb their noses at those of us can't, and who aren't good enough( don't have the money that they do) to join.....I'll fish the public waters you can keep your clubs!
 
I joined a relatively inexpensive club for about $250 back in the mid-80's, and it was not worth even that amount. The NJ/NY/PA area is blessed with an enormous amount of public access. Newbie's point regarding about $$ calling the shot is accurate, and we should support all efforts to acquire new public waters and access to others.

I play some golf in the summer (when the trout fishing is slow!), and I know that NJ has the #1 ranked course in the world, but I will never have the opportuntiy to play there. However, golf courses can be built elsewhere, and there are many great public or semi-private courses I can play. But when it comes to trout streams, they just aren't making any more. Imagine if Donald Trump and other extremely wealthy types were into fly-fishing for trout the way they are into country clubs?

Although I tried an unexclusive club (hey, they took me!)for 1 year, it does irk me that one group has control of some legendary water and I will never be able to fish there. When I began fly-fishing I read about this water and could not believe how close I was to the Brodhead Creek. I spent a whole day scouting the area and was met with NO Trespassing and Patrolled signs, and gave up. I have to admit that even though I am a believer in private property, it did open my eyes what the wealthy could do to make our sport exclusive if it were not for Public Lands.
 
well, ive contacted fish and game about this. you CAN fish their property, and their club, directly in the middle of their pin showing honey holes...


the law is you cant disturb the stream bottom, so if you float tube, you can legally fish these areas.


granted, you cant walk on their land property, or wade through their honey holes, but you can float tube.



they "own" the land under the stream, not the actual stream itself.
 
well, ive contacted fish and game about this. you CAN fish their property, and their club, directly in the middle of their pin showing honey holes...


the law is you cant disturb the stream bottom, so if you float tube, you can legally fish these areas.


granted, you cant walk on their land property, or wade through their honey holes, but you can float tube.



they "own" the land under the stream, not the actual stream itself.

The only problem with your theory (which is correct, by the way) is that you could never float the Solitude Club property without touching bottom several times. Once you do, you have violated trespass laws and can and will be prosecuted.

I have been invited to fish a number of NJ's private trout club waters and most have lots more fish than public water. But that does not mean that you can't catch tons of fish in public water, it just means that clubs stock the heck out of their stretches of water. And remember that many of those club fish wander off the private water :)
 
Sorry to threadjack, but it is somewhat on topic...I was at a festival (NJ Wine) at a park in Peapack yesterday and noticed a river running through the park. I think it is the north branch of the Raritan. I asked a Peapack police officer about any regulations on the river or whether it is public access. He said that part of it is open to fishing, but part is not, even within the park. There is a landowner adjacent to the park who has hassled the town about restricting fishing on his segment of river, claiming that he owns it. Wouldn't that only be possible if he owns both banks?

The officer thinks that the town just surrendered that segment of river to avoid the effort of contesting the claim.

The town might not be interested in fighting with a rich local, but if you fished from the town own park bank, and he tried to press charges, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, plus you could counter chrage under NJ's Sportsman Harasment Act signed into law by Florio.
 
The only problem with your theory (which is correct, by the way) is that you could never float the Solitude Club property without touching bottom several times. Once you do, you have violated trespass laws and can and will be prosecuted.

I have been invited to fish a number of NJ's private trout club waters and most have lots more fish than public water. But that does not mean that you can't catch tons of fish in public water, it just means that clubs stock the heck out of their stretches of water. And remember that many of those club fish wander off the private water :)


Oh, I agree, that can be said for most of the clubs. I have no problem fishing the public water of NJ, PA, and NY. I was just telling him that from a legal standpoint.
 
The town might not be interested in fighting with a rich local, but if you fished from the town own park bank, and he tried to press charges, he wouldn't have a leg to stand on, plus you could counter chrage under NJ's Sportsman Harasment Act signed into law by Florio.

Correct, just don't wade past the center of the river channel or you would be trespassing in NJ waters. If the opposite bank owner has posted signs, you could be arrested for trespass. If not and he asks you to leave, he cannot press charges for a first offense.
 
ok, thanks to both of you. It is a pretty narrow segment, so it looks like fishing from one bank to the center would be plenty of access.

I have never heard of the Sportsman Harrassment Act. Thanks for bringing it up.
 
In NJ the landowner owns the streambed, not the stream. So if you can float through without touching bottom, or grabbing a tree you are allowed to pass. if you anchor, push off of rocks or get out to wade you can be prosecuted for trespass.

I'm a member of a private fishing club (Lake Solitude Club) and have been for over 12 years. I was also on the waiting list for a little over 8 years, prior to that. I have also been a guest and have come to know a great many folks in some of the other private clubs in NJ. While there are some that charge exuberant fees, most have membership costs that are surprisingly reasonable. (Less than the cost of a new rod.) Also most of the folks I have met are regular folks, with regular jobs. While there are always a few lawyers and doctors, there are usually a few cops, teachers, engineers, auto mechanics and retired guys who no one knows what they actually did if anything. Like me most of them fish quite a bit, and almost all of them fish public water as much as the do private.

Our club is located just downstream from Lockwood Gorge, and as I tell everyone the Gorge has better pools, is stocked with more fish and is easier to access than our water. The difference is that on a prime day in mid season there can be hundreds of people fishing the Gorge, on the same day if there are 10 people on our water it's considered crowded.

If you have ever had a nice trip ruined by some clod crashing into the pool, putting down the trout you have been working for 20 minutes. If you have had dogs jump into the water and get tangled in your fly line while their owner is jogging by. If you have been bothered by seeing a 20 inch fish you have been stalking for a few days, being dragged along on a stringer by the guy who decided to keep one. If you have been frustrated by having to work late every night during the sulpher hatch except today, and then have to drive from one access point to the next looking for an open spot to fish, thereby pissing away an hour of the only 3 you get this year. If you have gotten dirty looks from passing joggers for sitting on the back of your pickup, smoking a cigar and enjoying a cold beer after a tough day. That does not happen on private water and some of us are willing to pay for that.

By the way almost every club allows members to bring a guest, and having a place to bring a client or co-worker or friend or relative visiting from out of town to fish and be assured of a parking place and opportunity for fish has value to.

To protect that value most clubs prosecute trespassers, I know my club does. Feel free to feel indignant, but you better not be in our water while doing so.
 
If you are floating a NY river and come to an impass, such as a down tree, shallow water, rocks, waterfall, dam, etc., you can legally step out of your watercraft and walk on the river bottom or bank to maneuver past the obstruction. Then you must immediately return to your watercraft after the obstruction. You cannot fish while out of your watercraft. Also, as mentioned before, you cannot anchor your watercraft while in private or posted areas.

I'm not sure what the NJ rules are on this. I would recommend calling the NJDEP if you're planning on floating NJ rivers.

Cdog
 
CDOG I'm pretty sure that there are provisions for portaging around obstructions like down trees, dams and water falls in NJ too. Then again we probably have notations for where it is and is not permissible to deposit folks with cement shoes, and how to tax both the property owner and the deceased.
 
Agust,

It's those cement shoes that are the most destructive to watercraft. Especially the inflatables. I come from a long lineage of landowners and we found duct tape and shovels to be the best way to deal with trespassers.

Cdog
 
we found duct tape and shovels to be the best way to deal with trespassers.

Cdog

and fellow fishermen, so-called friends, basically any human he comes in contact with....Have you ever seen the Hills have Eyes (some similarity to Cdogs childhood):D
 
and fellow fishermen, so-called friends, basically any human he comes in contact with....Have you ever seen the Hills have Eyes (some similarity to Cdogs childhood):D

bkill,

Why do you keep declining my fishing invitations? I'm begining to think you don't like me. I would love to take you fishing. You can play my banjo.

Cdog
 
bkill,

Why do you keep declining my fishing invitations? I'm begining to think you don't like me. I would love to take you fishing. You can play my banjo.

Cdog

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I would gladly take you up on your generous offer...But first I insist that you allow me to take you bluefishing..I want to introduce you to my unique chumming technique…You will fall to pieces over my ingredients...Let me know when you are available:devious:<o></o>
 
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I would gladly take you up on your generous offer...But first I insist that you allow me to take you bluefishing..I want to introduce you to my unique chumming technique…You will fall to pieces over my ingredients...Let me know when you are available:devious:<O></O>

Already tried that with newbie last Thursday...they don't like human flesh. :rofl:

Cdog
 
I would disagree, they always seem to like biting my fingers when I'm not paying close enough attention! Damned razor lips...

lol Yea they will bite anything won't they. Had one grab my pants and wouldn't let go. Ended up ripping them. Maybe it's just newbie they don't like.

Cdog
 
how is it that I am getting thrown under the bus here????? i've never met a fish that didn't like me....
 
Maybe I just figured out the reason I like to eat fresh bluefish - it's the sweet taste of revenge! :)



BTW - how'd we go from freshwater stream access to bluefish and hiding dead bodies? :D Gotta love NEFF. Thanks DC!
 
Maybe I just figured out the reason I like to eat fresh bluefish - it's the sweet taste of revenge! :)



BTW - how'd we go from freshwater stream access to bluefish and hiding dead bodies? :D Gotta love NEFF. Thanks DC!

Dead bodies??? What dead bodies???

Rusty, you need to change that avitar. I'm tired of looking at that fly on your ass.

Confusedog
 
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