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Let the speculation begin!

Andre

The Bamboo Guy!
fished the same spring creek for the last 3 weeks. The last 2 days have been the most interesting. There were bugs and fish coming to them consistenly through all weather type days. for a 3 week perod. The last 2 days the bugs have been coming off thicker and actually were great hatches but no fish coming up through out the creek. What do you think? Air pressure? Sun? Clouds? Water was 47 degrees today. The fish were rising when water was 42. Mystery to me.
 
Andre

Dont know what happen yesterday but I Suspect that today you missed the heavy feed,even if it was sub-surface.

I just happend to have a hand held device tha measures barometric pressure.

From about 8:30am to about 1:00 p.m today the pressure dripped from 965 mb to 957 mb and then stayed flat for the rest of the day.

What I have found in the past year or so taking these reading is that the fish go on "the feed" as the pressure starts to drop.I have also noticed that the faster the pressure drops the more they feed.

I think the fish where eating from about 8:00 am until about 11:00 am which was the quick drop.

Dont know though if taking the reading here in Bloomingburg is an accurate measure where you where.

Did it go from blue bird sky to cloudy in the am?

Also I would think if they where eating heavily sub-surface you would have noticed it since its a small creek and you would have seen the fish moving,and or flashing.Also why would the fish go from being keyed in on the emergers and duns to nymphs all at once? Doest make sense unless there where other hatches that have just begun to hatch? And I dont think thats the case where your fishing?.

But this is all speculation or should I SAY an educated guess.

Its these kinds of "experiences" that drive me even harder for the answers.Its one of the funnest part of fly-fishing for me. :)

One more thing.I think the reason the hatch was so thick today was due to the fact that the optimum temp zone was reached for the Baetis.

Joe
 
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Joe,

(Just happened to have a manometer, Man, ... you are hooked ;) ... and I'm jealous)

What I have found in the past year or so taking these reading is that the fish go on "the feed" as the pressure starts to drop.I have also noticed that the faster the pressure drops the more they feed.
On my home waters, there is no hatch to match. The sea run trout aren't even supposed to eat. That said, how do we manage to catch fish, .... Well, by using exactly the same indicators that you are getting into now. Sure, we could fish "easy" waters like you do ;) hatches and all ...

Instead we stay on our relatively "poor" waters, ... The sea run trout come here for the spawning habitat, not the food, therefore, we watch for changes in weather, tides, moon quarters, water level changes ...

I've noticed the same thing... Great fishing WHILE the pressure is going down, but when it bottoms out and stays there, make lunch or get out the sinking tips.
 
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Andre,
I was thinking the same thing, i visited the spot you are referring too and saw the bugs but no fish. I was surprised since the conditions were perfect for some surface activity. Thats early season fishing for you though.
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Andre,

I was out on a PA spring creek yesterday too, experienced about the same thing you did. The bugs were out, but noone noticed. Why? My guess is that the increased air temperature caused snowmelt that lowered the water's temperature. I didn't check with my thermometer, but it felt quite cold. Until the snow is all gone, near-freezing temperatures will fish better than warmer temperatures.
 
Hey Joe,

Curious about this air pressure issue. Have read it both ways - that changes in air pressure cannot affect fish because the water pressure under the surface negates it...even the biggest change in air pressure is equivalent to less than an inch of depth, or something like that. Have also read that air pressure changes make a big difference, evident in the throngs of bass fisherman who live by it.

I have no clue about this, would be interested to know more. Is anyone aware of any research?
 
CR,

The objections to the "air pressure" effect (that I've read)
have all been from non-scientific sources.... people just speculating.

But even more non-scientific data is around which supports it, anglers almost
universally agree that a falling barometer means better fishing, salt or fresh.

I will say that I have no doubt that fish can detect the change in air pressure
because of the sensitivity of their swim bladders and the disolved air.
Perhaps there is some 2nd order effect that really accounts for their
behavior which just happens to correspond to a falling barometer.

I'd be interesting in reading real research on this as well
 
CR,

Just a thought, ...
I will say that I have no doubt that fish can detect the change in air pressure
because of the sensitivity of their swim bladders
Seeing as the fish is sitting in the water column and that the water is "tons" more dense, (thus heavier) than air, I wonder what the difference in water pressure is when the air pressure changes 1 kpa ??

Granted, I assume (and believe) that the critter is MUCH more sensitive to these changes than me.
 
I have also read or heard of conflicting reports about pressue and fish.

Thats exactly why I decided to do my own study.I have experienced what Andre has more times then I could remember and not just in the spring but all season long.

I can tell you this that for many years even before I used a device and logged the info I have experienced more often then not fish feeding heavily as the pressure dropped.

Who knows maybe the fish just like to play with the anglers "heads" :confused:
 
Joe,

I agree fully and feel the same, I wonder who is playing who ??

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This cartoon is from How To Catch Fishermen by Ed Zern, published by Appleton Century Crofts. The clothing and settings may be different, but the humor remains the same throughout time. :D
 
It really doesn't matter if the water pressure changes that much,
we make the mistake of thinking that the change has to be
detected at the conscious level (which is very unlikely no matter
how small the brain of the fish is). These changes are detected
by very sensitive nerves. How sensitive is the lateral line on a fish?
How does a fish detect food when it can't "see"? Once you read
about how sensitive a fish is to it's environment, then it should
come as no surprise that a barely measurable effect could change
their behavior. Heck, in humans we "react" to things at the systemic
level that our brains are totally unaware of, even if we're told.
Each "system" in complex organisms act independently but affect
the entire organism. Who knows if the static charges accompanying
fronts is a 2nd order effect that really is at the root of the change
in behavior.

As a side note about seemingly non-obvious cause-effect relationships,
I used to have a paper written by Bell Labs researchers (when ma bell
still existed and when we had a sub-unit called "Sub Marine Systems"
the unit which layed transatlantic cables) studying the subtle electromagnetic
currents carried in cables and how they induced shark bites. Yes, it's now
well known about how sharks are attracted to electromagnetic currents,
but at the time, this was brand new information. They actually had to redesign
the cables to (a) withstand shark bites and (b) minimize the leakage of these
currents into the surrounding water. I may still have this paper somewhere in
the garage as I kept certain esoteric things each time I cleaned out my desk
during job changes.

I think a biologist could probably quantify how sensitive known organs are
in a fish to external stimulus and we'd probably be shocked about how sensitive
these creatures really are. But I also wouldn't be surprised that real research
could uncover things we know nothing about in this regard.

The data is there which suggests that something really happens: there
is a cause and effect, we just don't know the exact cause nor the exact
effect (biologically that is... behavioral effect is "the increased bite" :) )
 
Joe,

You think that with TROUT, Man ... you gatta come up and try Atlantics, ... These guys laugh so much at us they send post cards at Christmas
 
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