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Genetically Altered Salmon

You couldnt have posted this a week ago??????

AquaBounty Tech

ABTU - Nov 20 3:50 PM GMT

40.00 +27.50 (220.00%)
 
According to reports in the WSJ, the fish will only be grown in land based farms to prevent any chance of release into the wild. The company's farm is in Panama. The fish raised will also be sterile females. There is concern about inadvertent release into the wild which could endanger "native" salmon. Also different grocery chains have already stated that they will not carry GMO's. I'm not against GMO's but I know a lot of people who are. I am however glad that they are taking appropriate measures to keep the fish out of public waterways.
 
Being the father of an autistic child, and having no idea why he is autistic (you all can insert your reasons here)......yes, because I am his dad....I have a sense of humor and do not offend so have at it....
I am against GMO's....don't fuck with DNA.....I will not buy or serve this Frankenfish, EVER!!!! I believe the long term consequences will be very bad, but also will not be able to be traced, so the Frankensteins of the world may continue to screw with us and our food with no consequence....I have no science to back this up, but I don't care, it is just bad mojo to mess with an animals DNA and then eat it.....bad things man, bad things....:crap:

So Mail, call me insane...
 
barkeater said:
According to reports in the WSJ, the fish will only be grown in land based farms to prevent any chance of release into the wild. The company's farm is in Panama. The fish raised will also be sterile females. There is concern about inadvertent release into the wild which could endanger "native" salmon. Also different grocery chains have already stated that they will not carry GMO's. I'm not against GMO's but I know a lot of people who are. I am however glad that they are taking appropriate measures to keep the fish out of public waterways.
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A small percentage of the fish will not be sterile.....the salmon farmers have said in the past that the farms pose no risk to wild fish, and we all know this is a bunch of bullshit.....whatever makes money, screw the people, money is most important....WTF is that?
 
lightenup said:
A small percentage of the fish will not be sterile.....the salmon farmers have said in the past that the farms pose no risk to wild fish, and we all know this is a bunch of bullshit.....whatever makes money, screw the people, money is most important....WTF is that?
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Those are the fish that will be unintentionally released into the wild. I am such an optimist.
 
"The potential risks of genetically modified fish escaping into the wild have been highlighted in a new study.
Scientists from Canada have found that transgenic Atlantic salmon can cross-breed with a closely related species - the brown trout.
The fish, which have been engineered with extra genes to make them grow more quickly, pass on this trait to the hybrid offspring"

A race of super brown trout. What could possibly be wrong with that? Twelve inch pike flies now used for monster browns........
 
lightenup said:
Being the father of an autistic child, and having no idea why he is autistic (you all can insert your reasons here)......yes, because I am his dad....I have a sense of humor and do not offend so have at it....
I am against GMO's....don't fuck with DNA.....I will not buy or serve this Frankenfish, EVER!!!! I believe the long term consequences will be very bad, but also will not be able to be traced, so the Frankensteins of the world may continue to screw with us and our food with no consequence....I have no science to back this up, but I don't care, it is just bad mojo to mess with an animals DNA and then eat it.....bad things man, bad things....:crap:

So Mail, call me insane...
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Sure here you may be able to choose from a variety of organic, gluten free ,and non-gmo expensive products, yet the bigger picture is that overseas GMO's can serve as a solution to a lack of available food due to environmental conditions. Being able to grow drought resistant strains of crops and crops that are resistant to certain strains of bacteria is an amazing feat. Giving farmers an opportunity to double their yields and feed their people is not something that should be looked down upon. Thousands of studies have shown that there are no negative effects to GMO foods. I am not saying you are one of them but it seems as though the people who preach that Vaccines cause autism are also on the anti-GMO bandwagon when likewise there a thousands of studies that show they do not cause autism.

I am in no way saying there is no threat to our lotic or lentic ecosystems due to a possible introduction of these fish, I am just saying that GMO's are not necessarily a bad thing.
 
Mail said:
Sure here you may be able to choose from a variety of organic, gluten free ,and non-gmo expensive products, yet the bigger picture is that overseas GMO's can serve as a solution to a lack of available food due to environmental conditions. Being able to grow drought resistant strains of crops and crops that are resistant to certain strains of bacteria is an amazing feat. Giving farmers an opportunity to double their yields and feed their people is not something that should be looked down upon. Thousands of studies have shown that there are no negative effects to GMO foods. I am not saying you are one of them but it seems as though the people who preach that Vaccines cause autism are also on the anti-GMO bandwagon when likewise there a thousands of studies that show they do not cause autism.

I am in no way saying there is no threat to our lotic or lentic ecosystems due to a possible introduction of these fish, I am just saying that GMO's are not necessarily a bad thing.
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I get your point, but you also have to look at genetics as a dynamic system. If genetic system of the organism is stagnate, the species will becomes extinct at some point. Adaptability is the key to the genetic mutation process. Mutations that work survive. If genetic changes in an organism are ineffective, those traits die off. That is what evolution is. I read that GMO’s are non reproductive, but all that is needed is for a few of the GMO plants to mutate genetically while growing and become seed bearers. That engineered Genetic information is no longer contained. If that happens a species that has an unfair advantage is unleashed into the environment. It will not stay as; a grow fast, bug and drought resistant strain, it is going to enhance those traits further and build on those enhanced traits to create new ones. There is a chance that those new traits could have undesirable side effects. Anytime a dynamic system is unnaturally altered. The rules of chaos become enhanced and predictability is hard to establish. Anyone who believes differently is naïve.
 
I'm skeptical as well. Someone once told me there is no escape proof hatchery.

The Bradford pear problem also shows the issues with the sterile thing. The original Bradford/Callery pear was bred to not have fruit (less mess) which also meant it was sterile. However, the tree wood was weak so they developed a new variety. Unfortunately, the two varieties could breed together and now Bradford pears are an invasive species. There can be unintended consequences and we know how farmed salmon has hurt wild populations in Scotland.

Also, the "improved" pig breeds vs traditional breeds debate weighs in here. Modern pigs grow really big really fast. However, they require a lot of high quality feed to do that - can't get something for free. Traditional pigs don't get get as big or grow as fast, but are more efficient feeders and do better when food sources are spotty. Modern pig breeds have often failed in third world countries because they don't do as well when not coddled. I expect the same with the GMO salmon. Sure, they grow faster in a farm with regular feeding, but my guess is that those traits will be harmful in wild fish in a tougher world. Hatchery fish are bred for growth in the controlled environment of the hatchery, not for the wild.
 
tomfly said:
I get your point, but you also have to look at genetics as a dynamic system. If genetic system of the organism is stagnate, the species will becomes extinct at some point. Adaptability is the key to the genetic mutation process. Mutations that work survive. If genetic changes in an organism are ineffective, those traits die off. That is what evolution is. I read that GMO’s are non reproductive, but all that is needed is for a few of the GMO plants to mutate genetically while growing and become seed bearers. That engineered Genetic information is no longer contained. If that happens a species that has an unfair advantage is unleashed into the environment. It will not stay as; a grow fast, bug and drought resistant strain, it is going to enhance those traits further and build on those enhanced traits to create new ones. There is a chance that those new traits could have undesirable side effects. Anytime a dynamic system is unnaturally altered. The rules of chaos become enhanced and predictability is hard to establish. Anyone who believes differently is naïve.
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All good points.
 
JeffK said:
Also, the "improved" pig breeds vs traditional breeds debate weighs in here. Modern pigs grow really big really fast. However, they require a lot of high quality feed to do that - can't get something for free. Traditional pigs don't get get as big or grow as fast, but are more efficient feeders and do better when food sources are spotty. Modern pig breeds have often failed in third world countries because they don't do as well when not coddled. I expect the same with the GMO salmon. Sure, they grow faster in a farm with regular feeding, but my guess is that those traits will be harmful in wild fish in a tougher world. Hatchery fish are bred for growth in the controlled environment of the hatchery, not for the wild.
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Not sure if this link works ( In historic first, FDA approves genetically altered salmon ) so I'll copy and paste as well:

"The AquAdvantage contains a gene from its close cousin, the <culink title="" class="culinks" style="font-weight: 400 !important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Chinook salmon" culang="en">Chinook salmon</culink>, as well as a bit of molecular machinery, takenfrom the ocean pout fish, which turns on the growth gene year-round, instead of only in the warmer months. The added genetic material helps the <culink title="" class="culinks" style="font-weight: 400 !important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/AquAdvantage salmon" culang="en">AquAdvantage salmon</culink> — produced by <culink title="" class="culinks" style="font-weight: 400 !important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/AquaBounty Technologies" culang="en">AquaBounty Technologies</culink>, a Massachusetts biotechnology company — grow twice as fast as ordinary farmed salmon, even though they eat 10% less food."

They say they actually require less food - please don't think I'm in support of this, anything that potentially affects the ecosystem will always have negative consequences (for those of you who don't believe in a higher power - the world's ecosystems were originally extremely well balanced - one might argue perfectly balanced).



To play devil's advocate - what if Whiting started using genetically modified roosters to grow better quality feathers for cheaper prices without any webbing?
 
Thursthouse said:
Not sure if this link works ( In historic first, FDA approves genetically altered salmon ) so I'll copy and paste as well:

"The AquAdvantage contains a gene from its close cousin, the <culink title="" class="culinks" style="font-weight: 400 !important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/Chinook salmon" culang="en">Chinook salmon</culink>, as well as a bit of molecular machinery, takenfrom the ocean pout fish, which turns on the growth gene year-round, instead of only in the warmer months. The added genetic material helps the <culink title="" class="culinks" style="font-weight: 400 !important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/AquAdvantage salmon" culang="en">AquAdvantage salmon</culink> — produced by <culink title="" class="culinks" style="font-weight: 400 !important;" href="http://curiyo.com/en/topic/AquaBounty Technologies" culang="en">AquaBounty Technologies</culink>, a Massachusetts biotechnology company — grow twice as fast as ordinary farmed salmon, even though they eat 10% less food."

They say they actually require less food - please don't think I'm in support of this, anything that potentially affects the ecosystem will always have negative consequences (for those of you who don't believe in a higher power - the world's ecosystems were originally extremely well balanced - one might argue perfectly balanced).

Yes and we fucked them all up...must be God's will....:)



To play devil's advocate - what if Whiting started using genetically modified roosters to grow better quality feathers for cheaper prices without any webbing?
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I ain't eatin' those roosters either..........
 
You guys are turning into Luddite Hippies.....
I'm finding this hard to get excited about.

To begin with the FDA has decided that they're eatable. Since the FDA is not the EPA, that's pretty much the limit of their authority.

We've been altering the genetics of plants and animals since before we stopped living in trees and caves. Cattle are not Aurochs anymore, and dogs aren't wolves. All gene splicing does is shorten the domestication process.

We don't need gene splicing to create an invasive species, we just need poor judgement. Invasive species can be domestic plants or animals, or they can be "natural" plants or animals. Either way, they become invasive, not because they exist, but because they were put in the wrong place.
 
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