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Cattle Quarantined

I find this whole scenario very disheartening. After spending enough time in rural upstate NY, I get how desperate they must feel. Blue tarp roof over the house their grandparents gave their parents, which was then given to them mortgage free. Driving that hand me down mid-80's shitbox must weigh you down then this golden egg of luckiness lands in that size 54 elastic pant you're sitting in.

My main hope is NYC will step up and ban these shenanigans and all these greedy short sighted sisterbangers will go back to their double wides and be useless again.
 
I find this whole scenario very disheartening. After spending enough time in rural upstate NY, I get how desperate they must feel. Blue tarp roof over the house their grandparents gave their parents, which was then given to them mortgage free. Driving that hand me down mid-80's shitbox must weigh you down then this golden egg of luckiness lands in that size 54 elastic pant you're sitting in.

My main hope is NYC will step up and ban these shenanigans and all these greedy short sighted sisterbangers will go back to their double wides and be useless again.

Bro that's funny shit! But it's not right calling everyone a sisterbanger!The first cousin bangers will be highly offended!
 
This "accident" is the one that got noticed and publicized ,how many screw ups are there in the mass drilling frenzy that get covered up right away and no one knows about till it shows up way down the road.
There are those that will ask you for the evidence and facts, and tell you that if there is no evidence it did not and could not happen.
You have to wonder what with all the locals jumping on the "pick me, drill here!" bandwagon if some landowners might be willing to look the other way and not ask any questions, rather than jeopardize a drill site that could become a major income producer...


The contaminated dirt which is chemical laden sludge they call drill cuttings is trucked away in hundreds of leaking dump trucks and roll off boxes all day long ,basically any old (and new) dump trucks that the locals can get on the road to work for the gas companies.They truck it to landfills in PA and central NY dump it and drive out of the landfill with that black ooze dripping off the back of the trucks,onto the roads and eventually washed into the waterways by rain.

This will also be disputed. The reasoning (logic? hhmmmnnn...no) behind this is that there are already other industries doing this, so it's somehow unfair to keep the gas drillers from doing it.

I'm reading that it is legal in PA to dump used frack water on roads to 'reduce dust'. The propagandists tell you that the frack water is harmless, yet the PA Dept of Ag are quarantining cattle that *may* have been exposed to it for months (up to 2 years!). It apparently isn't safe for cattle, but the rest of us (and flora and fauna) should be fine.

"Scientists" (paid by gas companies) are telling the public that tailings (drill cuttings) are perfectly safe, and they could be used as 'cover' (top soil?). There is apparently as "little radioactivity in the drill cuttings as you have in your granite kitchen counter". Now, think about the volume of kitchen counter it would take to fill a hole 9,000ft deep and probably 2ft in diameter...and then sideways for a few thousand feet more, and it's almost a dust. Why worry about radon seeping through cracks in your poured concrete basement floor?

If you think the DEP and EPA are on top of it your wrong,they are overwhelmed and undermanned to watch over the mass frenzy the gas companies are involved in. Some of the biggest drilling activity is taking part on PA state land leased to the gas companies.Like I said before the state's are broke and the gas companies have deep pockets.The politicians and state agency's will talk the concerned about the environmental protection measures to BS up the public but the gas companies will be drilling in NY state.One good thing is that when NY City planned massive lawsuits and a media blitz against the gas companies when they wanted to drill around the reservoirs that provide NYC with their drinking water the Gas companies quickly dropped their plans for that area because they did not want the massive negative exposure or well funded legal battle planned by NYC.

You are correct about the dollars driving this frenzy. The best we can hope for is that the ludicrous tax benefits get removed, and the Clean Air and Water Acts get reinstated.

I'd like to move to Pa or NY and start my own septic pumping company, as there seems to be an excessive amount of shit being spewed about. UNFORTUNATELY MY SEPTIC PUMPING BUSINESS WOULD BE SUBJECT TO TAXES, AND I WOULD HAVE TO OPERATE WITHIN THE CONFINES OF THE CLEAN AIR AND WATER ACTS.
 
All good points.The areas of potential ecological disaster are many fold,methane gas poisoning,chemical laden drill cuttings dumped in landfills with poly liners that cannot withstand more than 7 years of contact of mere household cleaners before they are prone to leak(a government study I read a few years ago),millions of gallons of chemical laden waste water,un recovered chemical laden waste water that stays in the ground (do you think they recover all of it?),radioactive radon gas being released.

The funny part about all this is that other than the few locals who will benefit long term with gas royalty checks,the general public will not benefit economically with low cost natural gas.the gas companies will still want to get top dollar for the natural gas after all this expense to buy everyone off and the manpower and equipment costs.Just the gas leases alone cost them over
$200 million.I could only imagine what the media propaganda campaign and legal costs they are incurring are,never mind the back room deals and "palm greasing" to push their agenda through.

What is really needed is a high profile spokesman who will get the publics attention to is what is going on to help shine the light on all this.

Not wanting to bring more bad news to the table,but when I was up in Ithaca
a few weeks ago there was a big article in the local Sunday paper about another shale gas formation called the Ithaca shale formation that stretches from Virginia to Central NY that was not thought to be as productive as the Marcellus shale formation ,but after exploratory testing has potential to be more productive and may contain more gas than the Marcellus formation and the gas companies are gearing up to vigorously pursue drilling it.
 
Its called the Utica not Ithaca, then you have the Trenton, Black River, Oneida and Purcell Limestone.
 
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Ok ,I thought it was Ithaca.I have the newspaper somewhere around the house.
 
I also forgot to mention the Onadoga and Oriskiny formations, all viable plays in the Appalachian basin.
 
I find this whole scenario very disheartening. After spending enough time in rural upstate NY, I get how desperate they must feel. Blue tarp roof over the house their grandparents gave their parents, which was then given to them mortgage free. Driving that hand me down mid-80's shitbox must weigh you down then this golden egg of luckiness lands in that size 54 elastic pant you're sitting in.

My main hope is NYC will step up and ban these shenanigans and all these greedy short sighted sisterbangers will go back to their double wides and be useless again.

It seems NYC has stepped up a bit. I guess I'm a bit clairvoyant.
 
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