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Swamprat

Swamprat

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Hi All,
Thanks for taking a look, any idea what we're looking at here? Any info like make / model, age, etc. would be grateful.
There are 3 pieces all together, the butt and mid section match but the tip piece has different colored wraps and a different guide base so I'm guessing it's not original to the rod.
1. Butt section measures 34 3/4 inches and the only marks on it are "59 8 1/2-5 HDH the wraps are yellow or gold.
2. Mid section measures 34 1/2 inches and is missing one guide but the wraps for that guide are still there. The wraps on this section match the butt and are yellow or gold.
3. Tip section (last picture) measures 36 1/8 inches and the wraps are deep red with black or dark green tips.
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Swamprat said:
Hi All,
Thanks for taking a look, any idea what we're looking at here? Any info like make / model, age, etc. would be grateful.
There are 3 pieces all together, the butt and mid section match but the tip piece has different colored wraps and a different guide base so I'm guessing it's not original to the rod.
1. Butt section measures 34 3/4 inches and the only marks on it are "59 8 1/2-5 HDH the wraps are yellow or gold.
2. Mid section measures 34 1/2 inches and is missing one guide but the wraps for that guide are still there. The wraps on this section match the butt and are yellow or gold.
3. Tip section (last picture) measures 36 1/8 inches and the wraps are deep red with black or dark green tips.
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I think a South Bend model 59 and the hdh references the silk line to be used. Mid thirties and later?

What do I win?
 
Future Fanatic is ALWAYS right....get used to it.;)

and beware of the small type...:)

I have a couple of old Bamboo rods that look similar, except the have brand names on them so it was easy, are you planning to restore that on your own, or have it sent out? I bet it would be an experience to fish with it..
 
Future Fanatic said:
Have you seen one without the Philipson paragon written in cursive on it?
Did they have a model 59?

What'd I win?
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Ok Mr. model 59, no I haven't:eek:.......But I also haven't seen a Southbend model 59 with this reel seat (all aluminum) or matching wrap colors and design or the same winding check. This rods tip section would have to be 27", that's what it would need to be in order to make this an 8 1/2 foot rod. I wonder if Southbend or Phillipson are that size?:rolleyes:
 
Swamprat said:
Ok Mr. model 59, no I haven't:eek:.......But I also haven't seen a Southbend model 59 with this reel seat (all aluminum) or matching wrap colors and design or the same winding check. This rods tip section would have to be 27", that's what it would need to be in order to make this an 8 1/2 foot rod. I wonder if Southbend or Phillipson are that size?:rolleyes:
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You paid too much for it, didn't you? :)

It's got a "59" written on it...
 
Swamprat. My opinion leans toward a Phillipson Paragon, but I think that the tip section is from a different rod. Tbe butt and mids are wrapped in the correct colors for the Paragon, and the 59 8 1/2 - 5 HEH is consistent with the way the rod would be marked. That 59 refers to an employee number at the rod shop, and the 5 is the weight in ounces. An HEH would be equivalent to a double-taper 6-weight line. The 3 decorative wraps and the look of the winding check are consistent with the Phillipson, as are the grip style. Yes, it is odd that it doesn’t have Phillipson Paragon written in script, but it also doesn’t have a South Bend label either. The script could have wiped off if someone refinished the rod. I have a Phillipson Pacemaker where the script is very faint.

If the ferrules fit well, then line the rod and see how it casts. You can always just tape a guide to fill in for the one missing in the mid, just to see if the rod casts well enough to be fishable. These are the fun issues when dealing with old cane that needs some work. Have fun with it.
 
Barleywine said:
Swamprat. My opinion leans toward a Phillipson Paragon, but I think that the tip section is from a different rod. Tbe butt and mids are wrapped in the correct colors for the Paragon, and the 59 8 1/2 - 5 HEH is consistent with the way the rod would be marked. That 59 refers to an employee number at the rod shop, and the 5 is the weight in ounces. An HEH would be equivalent to a double-taper 6-weight line. The 3 decorative wraps and the look of the winding check are consistent with the Phillipson, as are the grip style. Yes, it is odd that it doesn’t have Phillipson Paragon written in script, but it also doesn’t have a South Bend label either. The script could have wiped off if someone refinished the rod. I have a Phillipson Pacemaker where the script is very faint.

If the ferrules fit well, then line the rod and see how it casts. You can always just tape a guide to fill in for the one missing in the mid, just to see if the rod casts well enough to be fishable. These are the fun issues when dealing with old cane that needs some work. Have fun with it.
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Thanks Barleywine, great advice....yes, the ferrules fit well but it's obvious the tip section doesn't match....they all make a nice "pop" when you pull them apart.
 
Mark this off as solved....I'm calling it a Phillipson Paragon even if it isn't signed, here are some photos from different sites.
This (below) is from the web
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Next three below this are mine
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Next one below this is from the web
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To anyone living near enough Shannon's Fly Shop in Califon, NJ, take your boo in on a weekend and ask for George or Eric (typically only George will be in). Both are excellent at identifying bamboo, telling you what it would cost to repair or refurbish, and what the rod is worth. They are as good as any I know when it comes to that stuff.

I refurbished a Montague a few years back with their help or should say I had it sent out and refurbished with their help. My only effort was writing the check....
 
browntrout27 said:
Swamprat -

I haven't been on for a while or I woulda jumped in earlier. I don't know anything about bamboo either but inherited a couple of rods from a neighbor and posted about it awhile back. One says Phillipson Paragon and looks similar to what you have.

Check out this post - http://www.njflyfishing.com/vBulletin/showthread.php?t=17628&highlight=paragon
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Thanks for the info and link, nice to meet you.

Rusty Spinner said:
To anyone living near enough Shannon's Fly Shop in Califon, NJ, take your boo in on a weekend and ask for George or Eric (typically only George will be in). Both are excellent at identifying bamboo, telling you what it would cost to repair or refurbish, and what the rod is worth. They are as good as any I know when it comes to that stuff.

I refurbished a Montague a few years back with their help or should say I had it sent out and refurbished with their help. My only effort was writing the check....
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Thanks for the info, nice to meet you. I'll have to check out Shannons...I had one restorer tell me he doesn't do new tips (which I need) and another guy told me that for the cost of the repair (He rough estimated 450.00) I could buy a ready-to-fish rod similar to what I have.
 
Swamprat said:
Thanks for the info and link, nice to meet you.



Thanks for the info, nice to meet you. I'll have to check out Shannons...I had one restorer tell me he doesn't do new tips (which I need) and another guy told me that for the cost of the repair (He rough estimated 450.00) I could buy a ready-to-fish rod similar to what I have.
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I used Dennis Menscer who is a bamboo rod maker and restorer out of the Roscoe, NY area. He sells new rods at Shannon's and handles most of their repairs and restorations. Even with a heft tab to restore my Montague and give me a second tip section which was not with the rod a friend gave me, it was still worth several hundred more than the restoration cost in the end. But mine was done for sentimental reasons, not for financial reasons. I fish my boo once or twice a year for nostalgic purposes, but far prefer graphite rods to the super slow action of grass.
 
Rusty Spinner said:
I used Dennis Menscer who is a bamboo rod maker and restorer out of the Roscoe, NY area. He sells new rods at Shannon's and handles most of their repairs and restorations. Even with a heft tab to restore my Montague and give me a second tip section which was not with the rod a friend gave me, it was still worth several hundred more than the restoration cost in the end. But mine was done for sentimental reasons, not for financial reasons. I fish my boo once or twice a year for nostalgic purposes, but far prefer graphite rods to the super slow action of grass.
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I have no money in this rod so that easily justifies a resto job, no sentimental value other than having it forever. I'll look up Dennis Menscer, Thanks!
 
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