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Lets do some math on river flow

WBDluver

WBDluver

Official NEFF pot stirrer
You might be surprised to hear, but there has been a lot of talk about the Delaware and its flow or lack of flow. Some numbers have been thrown out and suggests that NYC has plenty of water and NYC should have no concerns. Well how much water does it take to provide a flow as one suggested of 1000 cfs for 12 hours a day. There are 7.8 gallons in a cubit foot so that would equal 7,800 gallons a second x 60 seconds a min.= 468,000 a min x 60 min in a hour = 28,080,000 gallons per hour x 12 hours a day = 336,960,000 gallons for half a day. Or about 1/3 or NYC daily usage for the fish. Now, how many days would you like to run that at?
 
People bitching and moaning about their trout really makes me laugh. The trout will be fine people are only concerned with their ability to fish. I'm tired of hearing about it.
 
lightenup said:
Pretty much sums it up.................
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This is what you get when folks are jonesing for a fishing high. This wouldn't happen if more guys would get out for the pikes when the water is too hot to trout fish. The pikes love that warm bath water.
 
WBDluver said:
You might be surprised to hear, but there has been a lot of talk about the Delaware and its flow or lack of flow. Some numbers have been thrown out and suggests that NYC has plenty of water and NYC should have no concerns. Well how much water does it take to provide a flow as one suggested of 1000 cfs for 12 hours a day. There are 7.8 gallons in a cubit foot so that would equal 7,800 gallons a second x 60 seconds a min.= 468,000 a min x 60 min in a hour = 28,080,000 gallons per hour x 12 hours a day = 336,960,000 gallons for half a day. Or about 1/3 or NYC daily usage for the fish. Now, how many days would you like to run that at?
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Real data from USGS

USGS Current Conditions for USGS 01425000 WEST BR DELAWARE RIVER AT STILESVILLE NY

From 6/1-12/1 2014

500 average until September than 1500 cfs for most of the fall

The fall release was for Montaque

The reservoir dropped to the upper 40% range by the the new year.

That is a 6 month period of supplying driking water, the fishery in the summer and Montaque in the Fall.

Those are the facts..USGS tells the real story.

For the the rest of you that don't like ,to bad, don't read it..

The complainers and whiners on this subject are the ones who are not educated about it,or just don't give a shit.
 
WBDluver said:
You might be surprised to hear, but there has been a lot of talk about the Delaware and its flow or lack of flow. Some numbers have been thrown out and suggests that NYC has plenty of water and NYC should have no concerns. Well how much water does it take to provide a flow as one suggested of 1000 cfs for 12 hours a day. There are 7.8 gallons in a cubit foot so that would equal 7,800 gallons a second x 60 seconds a min.= 468,000 a min x 60 min in a hour = 28,080,000 gallons per hour x 12 hours a day = 336,960,000 gallons for half a day. Or about 1/3 or NYC daily usage for the fish. Now, how many days would you like to run that at?
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One more thing that is very important here.

You looking only at the Cannonsville.

Did you forget about the other reservoirs that I just spelled out for you..

Pepacton ,Neversink, Rondout the Croton, etc, etc.

That's the problem not many people understand how much water there really is when you combine all of the reservoirs.

When you get that , you'll understand the flow issues much better
 
emoussa said:
People bitching and moaning about their trout really makes me laugh. The trout will be fine people are only concerned with their ability to fish. I'm tired of hearing about it.
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Yeah, its so funny when people bitch about water temps and not being able to work on the river.

So damn funny.

emoussa said:
Shut the fuck up beetle. You think whatever trickle is coming out of these reservoirs is holding back the atlantic ocean?? Have you seen the del where it reaches the ocean? I'd love to see where you got that data from. Or are you just talking out of your ass, per usual? You sound like an asshole. Get a job you bum.
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Especially funny for an ignoramus like you, who doesn't understand anything at all about the fishery.
 
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Beetle I dont give a shit about the fishery in comparison to NYC's water needs. That is absolutely correct. I also dont really care about the people who work on the river. Nothing personal, but there are more livlihoods at stake in NYC.

You dont care either. You just sound off on the internet.
 
emoussa said:
Beetle I dont give a shit about the fishery in comparison to NYC's water needs. That is absolutely correct. I also dont really care about the people who work on the river. Nothing personal, but there are more livlihoods at stake in NYC.

You dont care either. You just sound off on the internet.
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Speak for yourself.

But you couldn't have expressed your point of view any better.

emoussa said:
Shut the fuck up beetle. You think whatever trickle is coming out of these reservoirs is holding back the atlantic ocean?? Have you seen the del where it reaches the ocean? I'd love to see where you got that data from. Or are you just talking out of your ass, per usual? You sound like an asshole. Get a job you bum.
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Ignorant.
 
JOE.T said:
One more thing that is very important here.

You looking only at the Cannonsville.

Did you forget about the other reservoirs that I just spelled out for you..

Pepacton ,Neversink, Rondout the Croton, etc, etc.

That's the problem not many people understand how much water there really is when you combine all of the reservoirs.

When you get that , you'll understand the flow issues much better
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I did not mention Cannonville at all. I am just showing the total in gallons. That it would be 1/3 of NYC daily consumption.
 
How many people signed that petition? I was one of them. I also have concern about the people who work the river and cannot right now, after all it is a livelihood for some. But, 8.5 million people inhabit New York City and it is the financial hub of the planet. They will not give up their water for fishermen, or a small economy that is suffering, even if they have enough right now. Summer has not yet started, yet the freestones are at or below summer flows.......common sense dictates they save the water they have......just in case, for the future...they don't care about the fish, the fishermen, or the guides. buy a plane ticket to Montana......Blue Ribbon Flies

The season has just begun, the fishing is great, the flows are fine, and it seems they have plenty of people to take out fishing..
 
lightenup said:
How many people signed that petition? I was one of them. I also have concern about the people who work the river and cannot right now, after all it is a livelihood for some. But, 8.5 million people inhabit New York City and it is the financial hub of the planet. They will not give up their water for fishermen, or a small economy that is suffering, even if they have enough right now. Summer has not yet started, yet the freestones are at or below summer flows.......common sense dictates they save the water they have......just in case, for the future...they don't care about the fish, the fishermen, or the guides. buy a plane ticket to Montana......Blue Ribbon Flies

The season has just begun, the fishing is great, the flows are fine, and it seems they have plenty of people to take out fishing..
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LU, nobody disagrees with you here.

NYC is not going to put its water supply at risk at all, for anything, except to maintain the salt line per the Supreme Court decree.

We all agree with that reality.

Except emoussa, who knows nothing about that.

Its a fucking shame.
 
golden beetle said:
LU, nobody disagrees with you here.

NYC is not going to put its water supply at risk at all, for anything, except to maintain the salt line per the Supreme Court decree.

We all agree with that reality.

Its a fucking shame.
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Then what the hell do you guys keep arguing for? Is it really a shame? Is it a shame that people need to drink water? Exactly what is shameful Beetle, tell me that....I have my ideas and would love to hear yours...
 
Hi Everybody,

There has been a great deal of concern about water releases, river flows, and impacts to the cold water ecosystem of the Upper Delaware River watershed in the opening weeks of the recreational season.

Please consider joining us this Sunday, May 30 at 5pm at the FUDR office in Hancock, NY to discuss:
Current River Conditions-How We Got Here
What to Expect Moving Forward
Action Steps
We hope to see you on Sunday!

Friends of the Upper Delaware River
158 E. Front St.
Hancock, NY

For the River,
Jeff Skelding, Executive Director
skelding@fudr.org
410-245-8021

We need your help - to become an FUDR member, renew your membership, or make a donation, go to www.fudr.org
 
WBDluver said:
I did not mention Cannonville at all. I am just showing the total in gallons. That it would be 1/3 of NYC daily consumption.
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Ok so what would 1000 cfs run for 12 hours say 15 times in a summer bring the total drinking capacity to than?

You can spin it and say its a 3rd, but what is the real impact to the entire water supply?

When I have time I'll check your math seems a little high.But either way you'll see it's not as much as you think.

Let me know if you need help with the calculation

Start with Total Gallons in all of the reservoirs combined (NYC)

This one.

Current Reservoir Levels


Have Fun
 
This thread is totally off the mark of what most advocates of the river are asking for. To take the most extreme and radical figure (1000cfs for the day) as a starter for the discussion is just asking for an argument and more meaningless commentary. What most informed advocates for the river are asking for is a THERMAL RELEASE BANK for times of extreme temps and low flows. Even a flow of 600 cfs would have DRASTICALLY helped to offset the hot temps on the upper Mainstem down to give or take buckingham/lordville and provided an area of refuge for the fish while airtemps were dangerously high this month. And for how long you ask- for a period of 3-6 days during the month when air temps were in the high 80s and flows on the main were under 1000 cfs. So lets not start with extremes of 1000cfs a day and an inference that this request is for a long standing period to make the idea of the aforesaid changes to the FFMP seem unreasonable or extreme. We are asking for a bank of conservation water that could be released during the month of may (and prior to the june 1 increase in flows) to protect the fish from temps over 75 degrees and perhaps in september if the same thing were to happen. This is not a radical idea nor would it take a significant amount of water to put this idea into effect.
 
flyI4 said:
This thread is totally off the mark of what most advocates of the river are asking for. To take the most extreme and radical figure (1000cfs for the day) as a starter for the discussion is just asking for an argument and more meaningless commentary. What most informed advocates for the river are asking for is a THERMAL RELEASE BANK for times of extreme temps and low flows. Even a flow of 600 cfs would have DRASTICALLY helped to offset the hot temps on the upper Mainstem down to give or take buckingham/lordville and provided an area of refuge for the fish while airtemps were dangerously high this month. And for how long you ask- for a period of 3-6 days during the month when air temps were in the high 80s and flows on the main were under 1000 cfs. So lets not start with extremes of 1000cfs a day and an inference that this request is for a long standing period to make the idea of the aforesaid changes to the FFMP seem radical. We are asking for a bank of conservation water that could be released during the month of may (and prior to the june 1 increase in flows) to protect the fish from temps over 75 degrees and perhaps in september if the same thing were to happen. This is not a radical idea nor would it take a significant amount of water to put this idea into effect.
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A sensible post...FINALLY!!!
Well, a scenario that makes sense anyway.......
 
lightenup said:
A sensible post...FINALLY!!!
Well, a scenario that makes sense anyway.......
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Agreed.

We need a sensible voice who understands the numbers like JC does.

If he runs for Congress, upstate, I will volunteer my services as campaign manager.

Can you say LANDSLIDE?
 
I predict scandal when they discover the campaign manager in a compromising position with a volunteer staffer.
golden beetle said:
Agreed.

We need a sensible voice who understands the numbers like JC does.

If he runs for Congress, upstate, I will volunteer my services as campaign manager.

Can you say LANDSLIDE?
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JOE.T said:
Ok so what would 1000 cfs run for 12 hours say 15 times in a summer bring the total drinking capacity to than? You can spin it and say its a 3rd, but what is the real impact to the entire water supply? When I have time I'll check your math seems a little high.But either way you'll see it's not as much as you think. Let me know if you need help with the calculation Start with Total Gallons in all of the reservoirs combined (NYC) This one. Current Reservoir Levels Have Fun
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Im glad your not my account. Lol
 
WBDluver said:
Im glad your not my account. Lol
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I like joe.t and his radical plan to release 1000 cfs every day.

I do, but as it hasnt received any support from the fishing community here - his supposed base - I dont think he'll convince the DRBC either.

I'm guessing they're more difficult to convince of a plan than Mac, Dluver and Mudbug, who unanimously vote no to joe.t's plan.

I'm putting my trust in the younger and more politically savvy JC.

But in my book, joe.t is a great friend in spirit to the river.
 
WBDluver said:
You might be surprised to hear, but there has been a lot of talk about the Delaware and its flow or lack of flow. Some numbers have been thrown out and suggests that NYC has plenty of water and NYC should have no concerns. Well how much water does it take to provide a flow as one suggested of 1000 cfs for 12 hours a day. There are 7.8 gallons in a cubit foot so that would equal 7,800 gallons a second x 60 seconds a min.= 468,000 a min x 60 min in a hour = 28,080,000 gallons per hour x 12 hours a day = 336,960,000 gallons for half a day. Or about 1/3 or NYC daily usage for the fish. Now, how many days would you like to run that at?
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Ignoramus or troll... which one is it?
 
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