Dish soap spill....

[lightenup]

So I heard a truck, carrying dish soap caught fire on Rte 78, by Bloomsbury and a creek not sure which one....apparently the firemen washed all the spilled dish soap into the storm drains, killing every living thing in the creek, which runs into the Musky...From what I hear, all heresay so far, from a reliable source(he works with the watershed association) it was a trout producing creek and thousands of trout, salamanders, invertebrates in the millions and anything else that lived in that water is dead....


http://www.lehighvalleylive.com/hun...-78_truck_fire.html#incart_river_index_topics

this is all I could find....

Does anyone have more info????

 

[Vance]

Its True. Who gets the blame? The stream produced wild brook trout.

 

[Pete]

Its True. Who gets the blame? The stream produced wild brook trout.

Looks like an accident...
BUT
If you think like a lawyer, you look for the deepest pockets:

1. The driver is most likely the only one who could have prevented it, but he's just a working stiff... No money there.

2. The firemen attempted to control the runoff, but didn't do enough. More working stiffs... No real money.

3. The pollutant was mostly"Dawn" or "Tide" manufactured by Procter & Gamble...Lots of resources...It must be their fault.

lightenup:
See: https://www.facebook.com/groups/43979537967/

 

[Rusty Spinner]

West Portal Brook. A wild brookie and brown trib to the Musky and one I spent more than $150,000 alone to restore and that doesn't include work done by partners to restore it.


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[Rusty Spinner]

Farmer called nearly in tears when it happened


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[Future Fanatic]

THIS is an outrage!
These huge companies don't care about environmental damage!
They just cart this stuff across the countryside with $signs in their eyes.

We need to stop them.

I'm having some signs made up for the "good" people to put on their lawns.
The anti frackers had "NO DRILL, NO SPILL!"; so I'm thinking "LEAVE THE CRUD, THERE'LL BE NO SUDS!"

We can stop streams from being destroyed!
Close the Procter-Gambliburton loophole!
Think of the children with no fish to catch.

DENNIS, change the header to "NO SOAP HIGHLANDS!"

We can do this...

A true calamity, but you knew I couldn't resist, right?

 

[lightenup]

THIS is an outrage!
These huge companies don't care about environmental damage!
They just cart this stuff across the countryside with $signs in their eyes.

We need to stop them.

I'm having some signs made up for the "good" people to put on their lawns.
The anti frackers had "NO DRILL, NO SPILL!"; so I'm thinking "LEAVE THE CRUD, THERE'LL BE NO SUDS!"

We can stop streams from being destroyed!
Close the Procter-Gambliburton loophole!
Think of the children with no fish to catch.

DENNIS, change the header to "NO SOAP HIGHLANDS!"

We can do this...

A true calamity, but you knew I couldn't resist, right?

Well done you boob.

Maybe a little common sense at the scene could have gone a long way......for example...lets wash all this soap down a storm drain......it'll clean the water.....

 

[lightenup]

Looks like an accident...
BUT
If you think like a lawyer, you look for the deepest pockets:

1. The driver is most likely the only one who could have prevented it, but he's just a working stiff... No money there.

2. The firemen attempted to control the runoff, but didn't do enough. More working stiffs... No real money.

3. The pollutant was mostly"Dawn" or "Tide" manufactured by Procter & Gamble...Lots of resources...It must be their fault.

lightenup:
See: https://www.facebook.com/groups/43979537967/

I was told the firemen sprayed the spilled soap down the storm drains.......I hope this isn't true....I really hope this isn't true.....why was the DEP not notified immediately, could it be all those nice pictures of people cleaning oil off birds using the same brand of dish detergent?

look closely, it says "save wildlife" right on the bottle.....I think Pete is onto something with that lawsuit ....

 

[Future Fanatic]

...I think Pete is onto something with that lawsuit ....

Despite what Pete says, he's NOT thinking like a lawyer.

Include EVERYBODY in that lawsuit.
The driver, the company he works for, the company who built that truck, the company who serviced that truck, the company that sold them the diesel fuel. They should ALL have a big insurance company covering their liability.
Every firefighter on that scene, everyone who trained them or hired them them. THAT municipality has deep pockets as well as an insurance policy...
It goes on and on...

 

[lightenup]

Despite what Pete says, he's NOT thinking like a lawyer.

Include EVERYBODY in that lawsuit.
The driver, the company he works for, the company who built that truck, the company who serviced that truck, the company that sold them the diesel fuel. They should ALL have a big insurance company covering their liability.
Every firefighter on that scene, everyone who trained them or hired them them. THAT municipality has deep pockets as well as an insurance policy...
It goes on and on...

I think we should refer to the Beetle on this one....

 

[Pete]

Yeah, your right. Sue everybody including the manufacturers of the grate and pipe used to make the storm drain, as well as the engineer who designed it, and the contractor who built it.

BUT, insurance policies have limits, municipal pockets are only as deep as the local tax base. The real target, is the deepest pockets, in this case we have an "evil capitalist" to demonize, P&G.

 

[tomfly]

I don’t want to be the spoiler on this but it seems to be nothing more then a series of poor decisions on the responders. Although it should have been avoided, the stream should recover. The state should and probably will transplant some wild trout from a near by creek. Be thankful it was not a pesticide spill or some other chemical agent that would have long term ramifications. This could be the Dawn of a Tide of new regulations just to address this type of situation.

 

[TheHeron]

I don’t want to be the spoiler on this but it seems to be nothing more then a series of poor decisions on the responders. Although it should have been avoided, the stream should recover. The state should and probably will transplant some wild trout from a near by creek. Be thankful it was not a pesticide spill or some other chemical agent that would have long term ramifications. This could be the Dawn of a Tide of new regulations just to address this type of situation.

This is an outrageous response! Rational thought is not PC! You should be pissed off, wanting to build a wall between the road and the river and the homes, and the trout and the fields, and make Dawn pay for it all. Get an attorney, call the papers, the TV stations, and make a slanted video and post it to Youtube, and Facebot.

 

[tomfly]

This is an outrageous response! Rational thought is not PC! You should be pissed off, wanting to build a wall between the road and the river and the homes, and the trout and the fields, and make Dawn pay for it all. Get an attorney, call the papers, the TV stations, and make a slanted video and post it to Youtube, and Facebot.

Why is it Outrageous?
Why should I be pissed off?
How would a wall protect the stream?
Why do I need an attorney?
What papers and TV stations should I call?
Didn't the old Batman series with Adam West use slanted video at the villains hideout?
Gee you presented me with a lot of unanswered questions.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

We have a stakeholder meeting being set up to discuss next steps to restore brookies and other native fish to this stream as soon as practical.


I have no idea if anyone is suing or will be sued or what environmental penalties will be assessed on whom now or in the future. Did that sound lawyer-like? All I know is I busted my ass to write well over $150,000 in grants and spent those funds restoring this very tributary as it flows through two adjacent dairy farms. We helped get the cows out of the stream, provide them with drinking water, added hardened stream crossings, planted at least 7 riparian buffers along it, restored the Musky mainstem next to where it flows in, and restored nearly one mile of West Portal Brook's channel for brook trout habitat last year to top it all off. It was set to crank out wild trout until this. But I can't see any need for new laws. This was just a couple of bad things happening together.

 

[Rusty Spinner]

That same area (note the boulder) after one growing season:





Adding spawning gravels was the final step along with removal of wire cages and rebar stakes surrounding native trees and shrubs TU volunteers and other volunteers planted over the years.

 

[CTobias]

I blame all of this on George Bush. :nose-picking:

 

[lightenup]

This is an outrageous response! Rational thought is not PC! You should be pissed off, wanting to build a wall between the road and the river and the homes, and the trout and the fields, and make Dawn pay for it all. Get an attorney, call the papers, the TV stations, and make a slanted video and post it to Youtube, and Facebot.

Another boob with a perfect response!!!!!

 

[TheHeron]

Another boob with a perfect response!!!!!

Thanks! Although I believe it was lost on the intended boob.

 

[lightenup]

Thanks! Although I believe it was lost on the intended boob.

I believe his response was an attempt at sarcasm...he almost made it....