An article in yesterday's local paper http://www.th-record.com/archive/2003/03/03/sicasino.htm makes a new casino to be built on the Neversink in Bridgeville by the people who created Mohegan Sun look more likely. If this is built, what impact will it have on the river downstream, including the pristine Neversink Gorge Unique Area and the Nature Conservancy's Neversink Preserve? Does the DRF, TU or The Nature Conservancy have a plan to oppose this? What can we do to stop it?
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Casino on the Neversink???
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I fell in love with the Catskills for many reasons. Yes compared to other places the Catkills is my get away from every day stress is my mental relaxtion with good fishing, clean air, beautiful scenery, and small quaint little towns with antique shops, fly shops, campgrounds, good food and a few good pubs and most of all some really good people and friends, and last my club. Could you see a casino opening and ruining all this. The Catskills is one of my last reasons for staying around the NJ, NY area. This would be a shame a down out right disgrace and a perversion of the land for what, A STUPID CASINO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JOE.T
Dry Flies Only
Guys,this casino issue is old news.Its been in the works for years!
Its not a question of will it happend? Its when will it happend?
It may be two years it may be ten but its going to happend.
This is big business for all interested parties.There will be tremendous revenues generated from the casinos.Most will be in monticello but they will stretch from rock hill to lower monticello.
There is no way to stop this.We can only try and regulate how and where they build.with considerations for the ecosystem and the envirement
Sullivan county is a depressed county and the only real form of revenues and jobs comes from state workers and trout fishing.
This will be viewed by many as a very positive thing for the people since it will create thousands and thousands of jobs for these poor people.
I am not so sure as to were exactly this proposed casino on the neversink is supposed to be?,but I can tell you THE tu will do everthing along with the local towns to insure it is done without damaging the ecosystem.
The thing we cannot control is the traffic and influx of people.
As far as the politicians well this will create much needed financial stimulus for the state of NEW YORK and thats why they will eventually buckle and make a deal with the Indians!
Sorry guys
Its not a question of will it happend? Its when will it happend?
It may be two years it may be ten but its going to happend.
This is big business for all interested parties.There will be tremendous revenues generated from the casinos.Most will be in monticello but they will stretch from rock hill to lower monticello.
There is no way to stop this.We can only try and regulate how and where they build.with considerations for the ecosystem and the envirement
Sullivan county is a depressed county and the only real form of revenues and jobs comes from state workers and trout fishing.
This will be viewed by many as a very positive thing for the people since it will create thousands and thousands of jobs for these poor people.
I am not so sure as to were exactly this proposed casino on the neversink is supposed to be?,but I can tell you THE tu will do everthing along with the local towns to insure it is done without damaging the ecosystem.
The thing we cannot control is the traffic and influx of people.
As far as the politicians well this will create much needed financial stimulus for the state of NEW YORK and thats why they will eventually buckle and make a deal with the Indians!
Sorry guys
N
NJ
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Sabotage is costly and CAN work
Late night sabotage at a construction site can end up costing a developer so much money that the project will be abandoned.
Late night sabotage at a construction site can end up costing a developer so much money that the project will be abandoned.
Joe,
You're right. After many years, the casinos are finally coming to the Catskills. The Gov signed a bill in 2001 allowing 3 Indian casinos in Sullivan/Ulster counties. Sullivan County already has deals in place with two tribes that will pay the county $15 million per year. The Town of Thompson is negotiating with the casinos for sewage treatment fees that will run in the neighborhood of $6 million annually. The dollars are just too great for this not to happen. So get used to the idea of sharing the Quickway with the estimated 100,000 gamblers that are expected to patronize them daily. And get used to it taking a couple of extra hours to get there and back from the BeaMoc and Delaware.
What I will not accept, though, is allowing them to ruin one of the Catskill's legendary rivers. There's plenty of open land in Sullivan and no reason why they can't find a location that will minimize the impact on our prized streams and wild trout. The location proposed for the Bridgeville casino and hotel is right off of Exit 107 on Rt. 17 overlooking the Neversink River. This is just upstream of the pristine Neversink Gorge Unique Area for which NY State has paid over $6 million of our tax dollars and just a few miles upstream from the Nature Conservancy's Neversink Preserve.
If you want to read more about this, the local Times-Herald Record has a web page devoted to casino coverage: http://www.recordonline.com/news/special_reports/casino.htm.
You can also visit the Nature Conservancy's Neversink site at: http://nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/newyork/eastern/preserves/art1517.html
If you want to do something about this, contact Gov. Pataki, the NYSDEC, TU, FFF, Theodore Gordon Flyfishers, Delaware River Foundation, American Rivers, and the Nature Conservancy. If you're a NY State resident, contact your state senator and assemblyman. There are plenty of sound environmental reasons why this site should not be approved, but if we don't mobilize the troops you can kiss those wild browns and brookies in the Gorge goodbye.
You're right. After many years, the casinos are finally coming to the Catskills. The Gov signed a bill in 2001 allowing 3 Indian casinos in Sullivan/Ulster counties. Sullivan County already has deals in place with two tribes that will pay the county $15 million per year. The Town of Thompson is negotiating with the casinos for sewage treatment fees that will run in the neighborhood of $6 million annually. The dollars are just too great for this not to happen. So get used to the idea of sharing the Quickway with the estimated 100,000 gamblers that are expected to patronize them daily. And get used to it taking a couple of extra hours to get there and back from the BeaMoc and Delaware.
What I will not accept, though, is allowing them to ruin one of the Catskill's legendary rivers. There's plenty of open land in Sullivan and no reason why they can't find a location that will minimize the impact on our prized streams and wild trout. The location proposed for the Bridgeville casino and hotel is right off of Exit 107 on Rt. 17 overlooking the Neversink River. This is just upstream of the pristine Neversink Gorge Unique Area for which NY State has paid over $6 million of our tax dollars and just a few miles upstream from the Nature Conservancy's Neversink Preserve.
If you want to read more about this, the local Times-Herald Record has a web page devoted to casino coverage: http://www.recordonline.com/news/special_reports/casino.htm.
You can also visit the Nature Conservancy's Neversink site at: http://nature.org/wherewework/northamerica/states/newyork/eastern/preserves/art1517.html
If you want to do something about this, contact Gov. Pataki, the NYSDEC, TU, FFF, Theodore Gordon Flyfishers, Delaware River Foundation, American Rivers, and the Nature Conservancy. If you're a NY State resident, contact your state senator and assemblyman. There are plenty of sound environmental reasons why this site should not be approved, but if we don't mobilize the troops you can kiss those wild browns and brookies in the Gorge goodbye.
Caddis
wanna be fly fisher.
Even people will be gone one day... It's not a question of if, but when.
Sitting here reading this disturbing news, the delivery man dropped by my desk to drop a useless piece of information pamphlet. We get these all the time and I normally discard them. This one is entitled "Lower Manhattan" so I figured I'd browse through it. This pertains to me, Rebuilding Lower Manhattan, WTC, Path. After all, the Path is what used to move me from Newark to the WTC where I used to work. Now on Wall street, my commute is a pain in the you know what. Boy I can't wait till they get this path back up and running.
Ok, so now I'm reading this thing and thought I'd share with you some interesting facts about some of the street in the town I now work in.
Broadway - was once a Native American trail that ran north through Manhattan from its southernmost point. The name evolved from Heere Straat (High Street), couned by the Dutch, to "Broad Way"..
Canal Street was once a STREAM! that ran from a pond north of what is now City Hall west to the Hudson River. After a yellow fever epidemic in the early 1800's, the stream was made into a canal to drain the contaminated pond, which had become a health hazard. - Trout in the pond?
Pearl Street was exactly that: a street laden with mother-of-pearl, glistening in oyster shells left behind by the Lenape tribe.
Spring Street was named for a spring that ran alongside the street and served as a fresh water source for early settlers and Native Americans. - I wonder if there were trout in this thing?
Wall Street - is the site of a stockade wall that was built by the Dutch in 1663 to defend their colony from their foes: Native Americans, bears and the English.
So why all the useless info? Well, just look at what the building of casino's on the Neversink has to offer, a bright economy and a nice political future with the possibility of terrorist activety (lets hope nothing like this ever happens). Forget about the bears eating people in that area, they'll have to worry about the drive by's. One day maybe they'll dry out the catskill rivers and make them streets with big buildings on the side of them but hey, we all need to make a living somehow.
By the way, did you know that Broadway extends 150 miles all the way to Albany!
Sitting here reading this disturbing news, the delivery man dropped by my desk to drop a useless piece of information pamphlet. We get these all the time and I normally discard them. This one is entitled "Lower Manhattan" so I figured I'd browse through it. This pertains to me, Rebuilding Lower Manhattan, WTC, Path. After all, the Path is what used to move me from Newark to the WTC where I used to work. Now on Wall street, my commute is a pain in the you know what. Boy I can't wait till they get this path back up and running.
Ok, so now I'm reading this thing and thought I'd share with you some interesting facts about some of the street in the town I now work in.
Broadway - was once a Native American trail that ran north through Manhattan from its southernmost point. The name evolved from Heere Straat (High Street), couned by the Dutch, to "Broad Way"..
Canal Street was once a STREAM! that ran from a pond north of what is now City Hall west to the Hudson River. After a yellow fever epidemic in the early 1800's, the stream was made into a canal to drain the contaminated pond, which had become a health hazard. - Trout in the pond?
Pearl Street was exactly that: a street laden with mother-of-pearl, glistening in oyster shells left behind by the Lenape tribe.
Spring Street was named for a spring that ran alongside the street and served as a fresh water source for early settlers and Native Americans. - I wonder if there were trout in this thing?
Wall Street - is the site of a stockade wall that was built by the Dutch in 1663 to defend their colony from their foes: Native Americans, bears and the English.
So why all the useless info? Well, just look at what the building of casino's on the Neversink has to offer, a bright economy and a nice political future with the possibility of terrorist activety (lets hope nothing like this ever happens). Forget about the bears eating people in that area, they'll have to worry about the drive by's. One day maybe they'll dry out the catskill rivers and make them streets with big buildings on the side of them but hey, we all need to make a living somehow.
By the way, did you know that Broadway extends 150 miles all the way to Albany!
JOE.T
Dry Flies Only
John,I share your feelings and sentiment with regards to the casino on the Neversink. I oppose it 100%!
You are obviously well informed with regards to the casino issue.
Like you said, why there when there is so much land available?Beacuse the indians own that land and it easy access.
Your idea of contacting Pataki is a good one.Also you mention the various organizations and contacting them.What these organizations need more than anything is funding.That means memeberships for funding.Without funding we cannot fight!
I urge everyone who fishes and cares about the catskills to join a few organizations such as a TU chapter in that region,the Delaware River Foundation,and the Nature Conservancy.
Assuming the casino is built on the Neversink,In my opinion this does not mean the end of the gorge and the wild fish.There would be many regualtions and "safeguards" put into place from the various organizations,and townships to protect the river and its habitat.
Kill wild trout? Kill and destroy the federally endagered dwarfed wedge mussells? EEK.
Stay tuned and may the force be with all!
You are obviously well informed with regards to the casino issue.
Like you said, why there when there is so much land available?Beacuse the indians own that land and it easy access.
Your idea of contacting Pataki is a good one.Also you mention the various organizations and contacting them.What these organizations need more than anything is funding.That means memeberships for funding.Without funding we cannot fight!
I urge everyone who fishes and cares about the catskills to join a few organizations such as a TU chapter in that region,the Delaware River Foundation,and the Nature Conservancy.
Assuming the casino is built on the Neversink,In my opinion this does not mean the end of the gorge and the wild fish.There would be many regualtions and "safeguards" put into place from the various organizations,and townships to protect the river and its habitat.
Kill wild trout? Kill and destroy the federally endagered dwarfed wedge mussells? EEK.
Stay tuned and may the force be with all!
