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Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.
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BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
CTobias
Professional BS'r
EHHHHHH. WRONG!
This bill has NOTHING to do with a cleaner environment. It may seem like it on the surface, but the bottom line for this bill is to suck more money out of you and me as well as the rest of the country. Have you been paying attention to any of these posts?? This bill if passed will increase anything and everything that has to do with using energy. Lets see here, yip, that's everything out there. Your gas prices will increase, it will cost you more on your electric or gas bill. EVERYTHING! This bill is not about republicans or democrats, because for the most part they are all one in the same. We shall call them republocrats, because that's what they are. (most of them anyways) They would like you to think there is a left and right on this issue, but when it comes down to it, look at what they vote for. I do believe two of the republicans that voted in favor of this bill came from New Jersey. I know one came from New York. It's a shame that these people who are elected to represent us would vote in favor of a bill that will royally f_ck each and every one of us right in the arse with no lube. So, do some more research before you start to even think that this is a bill to "help the environment".
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Future Fanatic
Nirvana
I'm still waitin' to hear how much some Company that spews out CO2 is gonna pay me per acre to grow trees... I'm hopin' to retire early.
PAY UP for your energy Fellas... I need a boat...
PAY UP for your energy Fellas... I need a boat...
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Where the hell you gonna plant more trees. You already have a forest up there. By the way you are going to have to compete with other countries around the globe. Some of the money from those carbon permits and offsets go to the international community. More goes to helping other countries transition to a carbon neutral economy. Still more about 5 percent will go to prevent international deforestation...Arent we a nice country????
Future Fanatic
Nirvana
They are gonna pay me to NOT cut my trees down. Trout Slayer 3000(Hydes are for wussies) here I come!
CTobias
Professional BS'r
Future you can buy a Clacka Crap....if I were you though I would look at a Willies as well as a Hyde. Both great boats. Anyways.......what were we talking about?? Oh yeah. Al Gore sucks...he may not have invented the internet..but he sure made up global warming.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Hey maybe you can qualify for the cash for clunkers program. They are giving you up to 4500 to turn your old gas guzzling evil vehicle for a greener vehicle. Whats more green than a drift boat? Do me a favor and try it...Somthing tells me your gonna get a check.
Stonefly
Conservation isn't a tag line...
Even with Al the joke Franken, the Blue Dog southern dems are all against this bill, if they vote with the republicans it wouldn't pass. Senator Lousenberg's, staff said, that he would not support this bill in its current form, that it needed to be rewritten, of course with his track record, him helping to rewrite could make it worse. It actually passed the House because five republicans voted yes, three of whom are from NJ, 30 democrates (again southern blue dogs) voted no.
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
specialk690
New member
I just want to live by a BIG river loaded with resident fish with a fall and spring run of epic proportions, pay no income tax, no SS, and have free health care for ever. Well, at least I live near rivers. God, I love america...Still but I'm stretching
CTobias
Professional BS'r
This was on msnbc one of the MOST liberal networks out there. Stick this in your pipe and smoke it.
YouTube - RED ALERT: Climate Bill Is Transfer Of Wealth To World Government
YouTube - RED ALERT: Climate Bill Is Transfer Of Wealth To World Government
CTobias
Professional BS'r
more evidence for you tree hugging liberal hippies!! Where are your facts and proof that this is a great bill?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/08/epa-admits-cap-and-trade-won’t-work/
http://blog.heritage.org/2009/07/08/epa-admits-cap-and-trade-won’t-work/
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Echoing this article I would add that not only will this bill have no impact on reducing greenhouse gases it will further elevate China's economy at a direct cost to America. As China and India continue to operate as if they were in the industrial age we pay a direct price. The cumulative regulation enacted by the U.S. over the last 50 years has significantly reduced pollution. Similar legislation is almost non-existent in China and India. So beyond the idea of reducing greenhouse gases, basic laws regarding the environment are not in place in the Countries. The idea that we would place an overwhelming burden on the U.S. is beyond ridiculous.
In a separate yet related article. A U.N study team responsible for developing the next phase of the Kyoto Protocol is recommending that climate change be viewed as a gap between rich and poor. Essentially the rich should pay for greenhouse gas abatement since its likely they have bigger Carbon Footprints. Many will read this and say yes lets tax the rich more but what this article actually states is RICH Countries so in fact the carbon tax above and beyond any program put in place by the U.S. would be paid by everyone. Proceeds for this tax would go to Developing Countries much the same way money from the proposed legislation of the waxman/markey bill (yeah thats right money from carbon credits generated by this bill will go overseas to developing countries to help them with their transition to a carbon neutral economy. Meanwhile China continues its rape of sub saharan Africa by signing up long term leases to mine all of the natural resources and paying off the dictators of these countries under the guise of providing much needed economic support . This amounts to providing low wage jobs to the locals while brining in their own workers for the higher paying wages.
In summary we are absolutely destroying our country as we know it if this bill is passed. We will subsequently run ourselves over with a bus if we sign on to any UN based treaty on Climate Change.
Stonefly
Conservation isn't a tag line...
The other night while watching one of the cable news program, they have the news banner that runs on the bottom of the screen, it seems EPA Administrator Lisa (Ilovebears)Jackson, has finally admitted they sat on th EPA report that disputed the climate change bill, and that the US bill will do nothing to reduce green house gases unless China and India pass a similar bill. I went through EPA press releases looking for this and couldn't find it. I think it may have been in her comments the other day when she testified before the Senate. But they haven't been posted yet on the senate webpage
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
Those comments were under Bush. I really havent heard any of our new administrations remarks towards the protocol since the election, but I am eager to do so. Please post any new info you may find. I think it rediculous for ANY president to deny our involvement because of China and India's standpoints.. Yes they are countries troubling our environment, but for us to take our ball and go home because they wont play right is almost commical.
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
Pat Buchanan is one of the most conservative political commentators out there. What is there to smoke here? Its biased. Theres two sides to every story.. dont forget that. Its fine to disagree here, but when it comes to politics theres always going to be various arguments and I dont think this interview helps yours much.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
BIGBOW do me a favor and just read the article posted under CTOBIAS. Honestly you are not even reading what is being posted. The EPA administrator said in her testimony before the Senate that an analysis they conducted has concluded that unless China and India were to actively participate no meaningful reduction in greenhouse gases could be achieved. Its really that simple. Just so we are clear its got nothing to do with the Bush Administration which is no longer in power.
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
MACFLY, this is exactly what I've been talking about. Its got to start somewhere and its simply BS to believe that they are the only two countries that can effect greenhouse gases, even if they are the pollution leaders of the world. The U.S. needs to take ownership of our envorinmental flaws. If you knew anything, you'd know Jackson is 100% behind this bill you hate so much! Your fabulous article is a bunch of mumbo jumbo from a republican senator who is giving his take of what Jackson actually stated about "the center of the chart." Wheres the whole chart and the rest of what Jackson stated? This article is cut and paste from a republicans point of view. How about giving one of the supporting democrats views, or are we just listening to republicans now? Higher taxes suck, but Jackson has stated repeatedly that fixing our environment will be costly on our part. Nothings free these days, including clean air.
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Trout Nazi
And...Boom goes the dynamite.
Yes, lets spend all this time and energy to reduce carbon emissions, to address a problem thats not even proven to exist. Lets spend all of our time, money and energy on this. The worst thing with this man-made global warming crap is that it takes attention away from types of pollution that have proven impact and we can address now. i.e. deforestation, ocean dumping, non-point pollution, poor planning, etc. But none of those can create appropriate level of fear in the population to actually get any of this crap legislation to pass. Whats next after global warming, stopping continental drift? Whats going to be the genius plan there, put big screws into the earth?
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
First you stated that this was something that happened under George Bush. The statement was made by the EPA commissioner in the senate hearing. You then dismiss the entire thing as a republican talking point. Sure she is behind it but what about the statement dont you get. Your logic seems to indicate the following...Yes we need to reduce our emissions. Yes it will be quite costly. No it wont have any impact unless China and India participate. Amazing!!!
Now I made it abundantly clear that China nor India have even implemented 10% of the environmental laws we have today. Neither have been willing to step up to do anything to lower their carbon emissions. So you want us to bear the brunt of reducing carbon emissions while China and India do nothing under the idea of the U.S. showing leadership. Clean Air aint free ..Thats for dam sure. Go spend a few days over in Bejing and you will find out how bad it is. Its an environmental tsunami over in that part of the world. BIGBOW one of these days a throw away comment that higher taxes are necessary is going to come back and haunt you. Put simply you are asking americans to pay more in taxes at a time when more folks are losing their jobs and have less money to address an issue that may in fact not be an issue and B if it is an issue may not be something that man can fix..all the while China, India, Mexico, and a bunch of other countries can do nothing when the EPA Head has stated it wont solve anything unless they participate. Is that about the size of it??
