I greatly appreciate all the time and info. I agree that models are helpful, but with so much great data over so long a period, we have the real stuff to look at, and I always prefer that. Yes, I did figure out how to get the data. It does seem incredible that TU can have full-time staff to...

So, the information is there. I can't imagine that somebody - TU, FUDR, etc. - hasn't done a full-blown analysis and looked especially at the potential improvements brought about by FFMP. Just waiting to hear.

I still am not sure that this is useful. The idea of FFMP is to keep trout-friendly temperatures in the 3 rivers, right? Has this improved with FFMP? I certainly would not trust data provided by the state. Don't we have our own review? Has anyone done an analysis? When I take a quick look at...

I appreciate the quick response, but I'm not sure you understood the question. Models are nice, but there is only one way to know what is actually going on in the river. Review the data and compare! I'm sure the powers that be would want actual detailed info on the temperatures seen in the...

Jim, I know dealing with these issues is a difficult and often thankless job. To determine if FFMP is actually an improvement, I assume someone is looking at the average water temperature, maximum water temperature, and the number of times certain temperature parameters have been exceeded at...

What I see is you asking for answers about crazy "what if" scenarios that will probably never happen. When those tadpoles get in trouble, then we'll discuss it. OK? The fact is, we will never really know what the exact fish population was prior to the reservoirs. We do know the native species...

If you can show that wild, spawning trout occupy the river that far down, then NYC has a certain responsibility to maintain the fish and the fishing to that point. However, the farther you get from the NYC reservoirs, the more the river temperature is influenced by other elements, including a...

You are missing the point. They are required to protect the fish AND the fishing. That means a water temp less than 70. And why not extend that protection downstream? It should reach to at least Lordville, maybe Calicoon. If introduced species bother you, maybe they should be required to have...

Great point. Flow doesn't always equal low water temp. I have seen superb flow levels AND high temps, when the majority of water is coming over the dam rather than as a bottom release. My experience is that it isn't the level of the reservoir that causes the discoloration. Instead, its the...

The City of New York is obligated to obey the law. The law we, the people, wrote and adopted more than 30 years ago. Kabish? They must protect the existing fisheries in the Delaware system, including shad, eels and trout. I don't believe releasing enough water to protect the trout population...

Neither the American Eel or the Shad is a listed Endangered Species.

No, I am saying that the operation of the dams (or their removal) needs to be done in a manner consistent with the Clean Water Act. I am saying they can't break the law.

I realize it is easy to say "sue" and much harder to do. No reflection on Jim Serio and his work. But the funding exists. Sadly, it is not being made available. If you go on the Trout Unlimited website, there is a whole section on the Delaware but not a single mention of water flow or...

FYI - from the Clean Water Act - Water Quality Standards: A water quality standard defines the water quality goals of a water body or portion thereof, in part, by designating the use or uses to be made of the water. States adopt water quality standards to protect public health or welfare...

The Clean Water Act sets this standard. Each state must establish "designated uses" for every waterway and ensure they are protected. A river like the Delaware has multiple uses - fishery, recreation, potable water supply, etc. ALL of the uses must be maintained, not just one. If you are not...

Where are you getting your crazy information? There is a guaranteed and required bottom release from both Oak Ridge Reservoir and Charlottesburg Reservoir into the Pequannock, stipulated in Newark's permit. There is also a temperature requirement at Oak Ridge. How is that "nada"? Along the way...

How is it ridiculous? It's the law. NYC is allowed to take water out of the Delaware system for their use. But they are expected to do it in a way that doesn't damage the existing fishery in the river, the recreational use of that fishery, and the thousands who rely on it for their enjoyment and...

Yup, that's the one. Or maybe they would rather put everything back the way it was, thereby restoring the smallmouth, shad, and brookie waters that were there before they altered the system. Just saying.... Once you build it, you are responsible for it.

There are several groups that claim to be collecting funds for this specific purpose. Shouldn't they be spending them where they will do the most good? Why not go after 4 states and the DRBC? Although the views expressed here are my own, my organization has sued the state of NJ, big...