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What attributes make a great Fly-fisherman?

tomfly

The only thing left should be foot prints.
I been fly fishing for well over 35 years. I think I am a very good at my craft. Some guys (a select few) have that something extra that most of us do not possess.

I have read 3 books cover to cover on the subject matter. Ray Bergman’s Trout, I think is a must read for all fly fisherman. The other 2 are Art Flicks Stream Side Guide and The Soft Hackled Fly Addict by Sylvester Nemes. I also have read sections of other books. Some I agree with. Some find to be BS. I have watched very few videos. I am skeptical when I watch them. My first question is; where are they fishing? Are they fishing on some private water stocked to the max with limited or no pressure? If that is the case, we all can make a video on how to catch dumb fish. I am glad I am not just starting to fly fish because it is information overload and a lot of it is contradictory and confusing. I also believe that watching and reading can only take you so far in the journey of becoming a quality fly fisher men.

The best does not make you the best.

The rod, the reel the line, and the fly are all tangibles. The latest and greatest gadgets marketed do nothing to make one a complete fly fisherman. Being a great caster and throwing a full fly line with the best equipment that money can buy. It looks assume. Does it make you expert fly fisher men? I am talking about the things that can not be bought, read, watched or taught. The intangibles of what makes great fly fishermen.


Being meticulous and methodical.

For many seasons I would play the guessing game on what I was going to do on a particular day of fishing. Weather, temperature, stream conditions played no part in it. I would decide while rigging the rod on what fly I was going to use. I can assure you that it is a frustrating way to fish. A lot of fly fishermen use this approach. I can not shake my head at them because I did the same exact thing. I had a moment of clarity one day. I was getting ready to tie on a fly . I thought if I were to go to an Italian restaurant would I order Chinese food? The waiter would look at you as if you were insane. So why take the same with an approach while choosing a fly. That is the day I made my first journal entry. A journal is not a hit the nail on the head approach on what technique or fly to use but it will put you on the playing field.

Do what works and be willing to change your approach.

I do not know if my approach is the right one. It works for me. I also think an individual’s way of fly fishing is very personal. What works for one individual may not work for someone else. I can’t say that I have a so called “technique”. I try to allow the conditions to dictate my approach. I also can’t say that I euro nymph , High stick or just swing flies. It is more of a hybrid of all of them. That is what works for me. When I do find a combination that is effective on a given day. I try to be repetitive with that approach. I also do some things with certain conditions that are hard to put into words. I could show you but can’t put it into words. I have also tried some techniques that have produced fish only on only one occasion and have never been able to reproduce it. That is a head scratcher.

Try to understand your quarry.

As the actual angler verses fish, I try to simplify my analogy on why a fish behaves the way that is does. It is hard to look at the world from the fish’s perspective. I believe to become more advanced at the art of fly fishing, you better try to interpret why the fish is behaving in the manor that it is. We use language as way to think. A fish has no spoken language. That is tough to conceive.
I can assess this. All fish do possess basic survival skills. A fish will react to stimuli; food, predators, pecking order, stream conditions. I think most fish are binary thinkers. There are only 2 options for them (yes or no). They are the easy fish to catch. Every section of a stream has a dominate fish in it. He is the one that evolves beyond that binary thought pattern. He is smarter then the rest of them. He is the master of his environment. He rarely puts himself in a situation he is uncomfortable in. He can see you coming. While feeding his guard is always up. That is the fish that I covet. When you can trick him you are at the top of your game.


I don’t expect everyone to agree with my philosophy. Like I stated fly fishing is very personal and every individual is different. So what attributes set some of us from the rest of the crowd.
 
I would say patients and observation are keys to successful fishing. Also the ability to try diffrent things and a willingness to learn from others. Early on I used to rush to the water and start casting away. Now I like to sit back and observe my surroundings. It is amazing how much you can see when you are watching instead of fishing. Sometimes it's a nose of a fish just breaking the surface in a heavy raffle.
 
Can't really disagree with what you have said. I've come to think focus is key. When you focus and get into "the zone" life can be very sweet and the focus and desire drives all the rest. Need to learn skills in observing fish, presentation and all it entails (like casting, mending, rigging etc), fly selection and tying, learning streams, learning bug behavior, learning fish behavior on and on. But beneath it all is the drive to do it and the focus to concentrate on what you are doing.
 
"The best fishermen I know try not to make the same mistakes over and over again, instead they strive to make new and interesting mistakes and try to remember what they learned from them." John Gierach
 
I think some of us have a God given gift for fishing.

It is a special gift, like having a rich dad or a bladder that can hold a gallon of beer.

I am all these in one package, the greatest of fly fishermen.
 
1. Observation.

2. Anticipating your quarry through past empirical patterns such as location, fly pattern choice, water temperature, water levels, weather.

3. Listening and learning from other anglers.

4. Experimentation

5. Keeping notes of your successes and also your failures.

Tight lines,
TR
in Narrowsburg
 
Just an observation...

Being a good fisherman, may gain one some local fame, or (if you can teach) make one a recommended guide...
BUT
People who've become famous as fishermen, didn't do it by fishing.
They did it by writing about fishing, and writing well enough to get published.

If you compile a list of those generally considered "greats" in our sport, there will be very few who haven't been published.
 
To quote my future wife; "I love it more than anybody I know"

That really does sum it up for me. If your not in love with just being out there you'll never be great. If you love it more than anybody you know, you can't help but become great.
 
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To quote my future wife; "I love it more than anybody I know"

That really does sum it up for me. If your not in love with just being out there you'll never be great. If you love it more than anybody you know, you can't help but become great.

Are you marrying April Vokey?
 
I don't really care if I ever become a great fly fisherman......It is something I enjoy, so I do it the best I can. I play the guitar sometimes too, I enjoy that, I also will never be great at it. If I happen to become great at either, I think I will look back on the journey to my achievement with respect, happiness, and a sense of accomplishment......If I don't ever become great at either, I will look back on the journey with respect, happiness, and a sense of accomplishment.

I know I am having a great time on the journey....and look forward to much more happiness and many more accomplishments......

I enjoy reading about all the great ones though.......
 
In my mind, I feel that being able to put aside all the dumb bullshit life throws at you is most important to becoming a great angler.

Eliminating stress is the key to relax and focus on your fishing. I find that if I'm pissed about something before I start fishing, I usually don't fish as well as I do when I am relaxed and content.

And when I get pissed off because of the fishing, I feel that I'm better off just going home and doing some 12.oz curls.. :beer:
 
<!--[if gte mso 9]><xml> <w:WordDocument> <w:View>Normal</w:View> <w:Zoom>0</w:Zoom> <w:DoNotOptimizeForBrowser/> </w:WordDocument> </xml><![endif]-->There is only one theory about angling in which I have perfect confidence, and this is that the two words, least appropriate to any statement, about it, are the words "always" and "never." ~ Lord Edward Grey
 
I would say patients and observation are keys to successful fishing. Also the ability to try diffrent things and a willingness to learn from others. Early on I used to rush to the water and start casting away. Now I like to sit back and observe my surroundings. It is amazing how much you can see when you are watching instead of fishing. Sometimes it's a nose of a fish just breaking the surface in a heavy raffle.

I agree, I have learned a lot about behavior of fish through observation. Last month I watched a section of the stream for about an hour. If you were down on the stream and looking at this section of the stream it would appear that there were numerous fish surface feeding. Not was not what was going on. It was one Rainbow. At the vantage point I was watching this from I could see clearly into the entire pool. He was moving from feeding station to feeding station. I saw thee different guys walking along the stream see a rise and cast to where they thought the fish was. The fish had already moved then they would throw their fly where he had risen again. The fish had already moved again. After a while they gave up. While observing this fish’s a behavior, a pattern emerged. He would move from spot to spot in a specific order. One rise at each spot and he would move on to the next. I don’t think he was behaving like that so he would not put himself in a position to be caught. I believe he was suppressing the other fish in the pool.
 
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I heard a good quote this morning on a fishing show. "Just because what you have on is working, doesn't mean that there is not something that works even better." Try new things and cover as many angles as you can, and have fun with that.
 
a lot of cool flies helps. My dad made a good point last night at dinner though---" I don't want 100 different flies, I just want 100 of the fly that's working". Kind of goes towards tying for a planned trip, you have all this stuff tied up, and then usually a few patterns are all you need and you wish you had more of those.
 
There is a secret to becoming a great fisherman, its really simple actually. Its called time, as in having lots of time to fish.
 
I started answering the question a couple of times, but in addition to many of the attributes stated above, the fly fishermen that derive satisfaction and joy from fly fishing, fly-tying, writing, teaching, reading, studying, and experimenting are all fortunate and great in their own right.
 
Being able to cast and get a drift is probably the #1 attribute. I know guys who tie great and are observant but catch very little. A 6-year old with 4-5 flies who can cast like a sniper, get it done in one, will outfish all of us.
 
true...but I also know a lot of people who can cast well, but like casting so much that they beat the water to death and/or try to launch everything from 65-70ft out rather than taking the time to improve their position on a tough drift, ect. I have a buddy like this...I took him fishing probably 8 years ago and he loved it and was a natural caster from the first trip. He now can cast an entire fly line easily, but almost always fails to adjust during tough conditions where stealth, observation of rise form during multiple hatches, and so on is required. Some people just like saying here is my Iso fish take it or leave it and I guess that's the difference between being "a great fly fisherman" and being great at having fun fishing the way you want to. Both are respectable.
 
Being a sniper means assessing the conditions, getting into position with stealth, and hitting your target successfully on the first shot from whatever the distance. The sniper will always outfish the rest of us.
 
One who realizes the simplicity of the craft, and does not over complicate the issue...these are dumb fish we are talking about....keep them comfortable in their environment, and they will eat..
 
I'd add versatility to the list. A great fly fisherman should be proficient in maybe at least 3 species/styles of fly fishing (stream trout, stillwater trout, bass buggin, northeast salt, flats (bones, tarpon, etc.), salmon/steelhead/spey, carp, whatever else, etc.)
 
The top three things for success are 1) observation, 2) observation and 3) observation. Hard to catch many fish if you don't critically understand what is going on with hatches, water flows, water color, temps, time of year, weather, fish behavior and rise forms, bugs on stream side vegetation and/or in spider webs, etc. And that is constantly changing while we are on the water, so what worked at 10 am may not work at 4:30 pm on the same water over the same fish. When arriving on the water, take lots of time to figure it all out before you jump in an start flailing away. And constantly be on the lookout for changes while fishing.
 
One thing I've noticed over the years, that many of the "greats" seem to have in common is ear hair. Some of them look as if they have squirrels nesting face first in their ear canal. Not sure about the value of THAT observation...

It's NOT something I'm striving for....
I guess, like a lot of things, you either got it or you don't...
 
I guess I'm playing devil's advocate a bit, but I'm not sure I understand the whole premise of this thread. Isn't fly fishing something we do for fun? Is anybody here a professional competitive fisherman or a hunter-gatherer trying to feed his family? If not, then isn't the question, what makes someone "great" at a pointless hobby that they do for their own enjoyment?

Like, what makes someone great at scrap-booking, nose-picking or growing tulips in a flower patch in front of their house?

If you consistently have a good time doing it, then you're a great fly fisherman in my book. The only bad fishermen I've fished with are those who take it too seriously and, as a result, don't have fun and aren't fun to fish with. And those fishermen come in all skill-levels and ear hair magnitudes.
 
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