Pseudocloeon Reclassification?

[NJFred]

I just read Joe T's "Olives II" article. Really a great article on some difficult hatches to master.

I vaguely remembered an article of several years ago which indicated that the tiny BWOs whose latin name is Pseudocloeon were reclassified. A little research indicated that they may now, or at least some of them, were reclassifed into Plauditus.

Does any one know the full story? (Not that it will change my approach to these little buggers but just want to know in case writers and entamologists start using the new latin name.)

Thanks

 

[JOE.T]

Fred Thanks!

Fred first of all the pseudos have been renamed, and pseudocloen no longer exsists.Most of the species have been reclassified under the genus Baetis,with many new and different species names.Psedocloen use to be a genus name with many different species names.All changed.
Not to confuse anyone I left them as pseudos since everyone knows them as that,.As you will notice 99 % of all hatch charts have not been changed including al cauccis.
The reason for the name changes are due to "DNA FINGERPRINTING" which has shown entomologists that they were always of the same species and Genus!
Ok what does it mean to the flyfisherman and fishing techniques and matching the hatch. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The name changes are for guys like me who study entomolgy and like to keep up on the latin names .
By the way Genus Isonychia now has its own family and harperi and sadleri no longer exsist either,Its only Bicolor.
Fuscum which is know as grey fox no longer exsist either it is now known as vicarium which is the march brown In other words grey fox was always a hook size smaller march brown!
There are many others but I will stop ther.Have fun trying to learn all the new names!
Now if I were writing for a national magazine than I would have to list the new names as "synonymos" to the older species.
Hope that helps ya!

 

[NJFred]

Thanks Joe...as usual you are on top of things.

Yes, I too will continue to call them Pseudos and will do so unless they devleop a new familiar name.

I was unaware regarding the other changes with the Isos and with Fuscum. I guess the emerging science and technology surronding genomics have had a big impact on the classification of species.

While we are on the topic, one last question. Has Al or someone else ID'd the fly he calls emphemerella subvaria X (hendrickson x)? This is the subvaria which is smaller, size 14 to 16, than the commmon, size 12 to 14? There were alot of them on the water this spring mixed in with the common subvaria and the much smaller paraleps.

 

[JOE.T]

Fred as far as i know there is no name for the x species,the smaller darker subvaria species are typically the males. Btw if books,magazines,and charts start using thew "new names" they will be listed as "synonymos to" the previous name.

 

[NJFred]

Some have argued that the x is nothing but what you say... smaller, darker males then average. From what I've heard, Al, continues to believe that this fly is really a distinct species.

 

[Caddis]

http://www.mwfly.com


Good article on Olives and other mayflys
http://www.mwfly.com/pages/ento.html


Here's some more good reading for yah.

 

[JOE.T]

Anoka is only ONE of MANY species that were classified under Genus Pseudocloen..Just to reclarify again most of the species that were listed under genus Pseudocloen are now listed under Genus Baetis. Again it means zero with regards to fishing!

Hey Dennis would you like a new revised list of all genus and species which belong to family Baetidae?Must warn you its long and boring

 

[Caddis]

Anoka is only ONE of MANY species that were classified under Genus Pseudocloen..Just to reclarify again most of the species that were listed under genus Pseudocloen are now listed under Genus Baetis. Again it means zero with regards to fishing!

Hey Dennis would you like a new revised list of all genus and species which belong to family Baetidae?Must warn you its long and boring

No way, Joe! I've seen the list already and it is quite long. After third line I lost interest!

What's going on with the other article?

 

[JOE.T]

Hey Dennis,I was hoping you would say that!

Sorry I have been real busy and I will finsih it up next week!

 

[dcabarle]

Here's an old thread I found in the archives. I thought it was pretty interesting and figured I'd bump it up for the educational value for those of you interested in entomology.

 

[Taxon]

Here's an old thread I found in the archives. I thought it was pretty interesting and figured I'd bump it up for the educational value for those of you interested in entomology.

Dennis-

As long as you’ve bumped the thread, I’ll contribute a bit of clarification with regard to re-classification of N. American species of Pseudocloeon:

Genus Pseudocloeon continues to exist, and has (7) remaining N. American species, at least one of which is of interest to flyfishers, P. propinquum, variously referred to as Iron Dun, Little Iron Blue Quill, Little Slatewinged Olive Quill, and Slatewinged Olive.

Numerous species which have (at one time or another) been considered to be in genus Pseudocloeon, are currently classified as Acentrella (4), Apobaetis (1), Heterocloeon (1), Paracloeodes (1), and Plauditus (15) excluding several misspellings.

 

[HydeLowRider]

Fred Thanks!

Fred first of all the pseudos have been renamed, and pseudocloen no longer exsists.Most of the species have been reclassified under the genus Baetis,with many new and different species names.Psedocloen use to be a genus name with many different species names.All changed.
Not to confuse anyone I left them as pseudos since everyone knows them as that,.As you will notice 99 % of all hatch charts have not been changed including al cauccis.
The reason for the name changes are due to "DNA FINGERPRINTING" which has shown entomologists that they were always of the same species and Genus!
Ok what does it mean to the flyfisherman and fishing techniques and matching the hatch. ABSOLUTELY NOTHING! The name changes are for guys like me who study entomolgy and like to keep up on the latin names .
By the way Genus Isonychia now has its own family and harperi and sadleri no longer exsist either,Its only Bicolor.
Fuscum which is know as grey fox no longer exsist either it is now known as vicarium which is the march brown In other words grey fox was always a hook size smaller march brown!
There are many others but I will stop ther.Have fun trying to learn all the new names!
Now if I were writing for a national magazine than I would have to list the new names as "synonymos" to the older species.
Hope that helps ya!

This flips my knowledge and personal categorization UPSIDE - DOWN. It certainly helps to simplify the GENUS/SUBSPECIES arrangements. Great reply Joe T. Very informative.

 

[AKSkim]

Now I know

Genus Pseudocloeon an Iron Dun?

No wonder why I haven't been catching as many trout with that darn fly!

Just goes to prove that those little boogers are tricky.

 

[Taxon]

Iron Dun

Genus Pseudocloeon an Iron Dun?

AK-

Yes, as well as is Epeorus pleuralis. This link allows one to query on either common or scientific name.

 

[dcabarle]

http://www.flyfishingentomology.com/Names%20Query%20(Either).asp

 

[Taxon]

Dennis-

Wow, that's neat. Have never seen that done before. Thanks.