was in walmart tonight and found some stainless steel 2x shank stainless hooks for 73 cents for 40...guess they are a bait hook with the offset bend..also got some number 2 all purpose bait hooks...are these fine for using for streamers and things.....any real benefit to using actual fly tying hooks besides being lighter for dry flys, which i dont use
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OK to use regular bait type hooks for fly tying
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MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Have you lost your mind..you need to re-evaluate your desire to be a flyfisherman. 2x shank stainless bait hooks!!! Why not just buy a crossbow. Please proceeds directly to www.garden state trout.com and never return to this site...thanks very much!!!
jeez, thanks for the great help for a beginner fly tyer who was just curious what exactly the difference is...so your telling me the fish will say "oh shit, back off, that isnt a real fly tying hook, time to go elsewhere" something tells me NO
WBDluver
Official NEFF pot stirrer
Well some bait hooks have barbs on the shank which make it very diffucult to tye materials on. The off set when put in a vise will also make it diffucult for a new tyer. Try Allen fishing co. They are sponsers on this site and have very reasonable prices for their hooks
the barbs can just be smashed down with plyers and i dont see how the bend makes any issues...ive tied many flies on my vise already and used regular fly hooks and looking at this in the vise doesnt seem like it would give me any issues.....do you think there would be any issues with say a clouser minnow swimming correct on this hook
Simms
New member
LMAO MAC..thats classic
Trout Fever
New member
try it and post your pictures as wbdluver stated i think that that allen flyfishing is very reasonable i think its like 6 dollars per hunder comes out to 16 cents a hook and from what i hear they are a good hook
dont worry about macfly hes just has a dirty diaper
john
WBDluver
Official NEFF pot stirrer
LOL yea and since BroadHeads Creek has not been around to take him fishing he has no clue as to what to use
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
I dont like your passive/aggressive behavior..If you want to use grappling hooks for your flies go right ahead but how anyone can come on this site and not fish dry flies is an abomination. I say ban this man right now. Otherwise we are just another Garden State Trout..
G Lech
New member
Those hooks dont belong anywhere near a trout's mouth.
nicklenuts
New member
I had purchased for the first time this year some golden Eagle Claw size 4 hooks (at Walmart as well) on a whim -- for large stoneflys and buggers -- and they worked perfectly fine. They do not have barbs on the shank, they have a wider bend, and are plenty sharp. the hook itself was strong and brought many many trout to net earlier this month -- ranging in size from 12" to 21".
they work -- and $3.99 for 50 beats the hell out of $9.99 for 25... I may never buy a fly tying hook again for that particular size nymph/streamer.
Wont be using any hooks of this size on trout, ecspecially since i dont fish for trout.....all my homemade flies are for smalllies, largemouth, and whatever saltwater species i can get to bite....made a little crab last night on a size 2 with yellow foam....not the best pattern, but could work...may try it out on friday in the barnegat bay....just have to rinse them off after use since the size 2s arnt stainless...have some stainless fly hooks coming to me next week though which i will use for most things
No crime in using hooks not designated "fly hooks". Offset hooks usually don't have a good action in the water, so avoid them. Also, cheap hooks often don't have sharp points - and sharp points are key to getting good hook sets. Cheap hooks that don't perform are no bargain.
For bass bugs etc it's OK to play around with what hooks you can find locally. Problem is, the better bass hooks with the super sharp hooks are most often expensive, but if you find them in the bargain bin go for it.
Saltwater hooks should be stainless since they will rust when put back in your fly box if they are steel. However, if they are simple flies that get chewed up and wouldn't be put back in the fly box, plain steel is OK. The rinsing thing only goes so far. The hook will rust deep inside the fly after being wet, so a rinsed fly with a steel hook can look fine, but break on a good fish since it is shot inside.
I'm of the fly tying school where one tries to be creative and find cheap materials at places other than a fly shop. Of course, the materials at a fly shop are usually better suited for fly tying - but that doesn't stop me from trying other stuff.
For bass bugs etc it's OK to play around with what hooks you can find locally. Problem is, the better bass hooks with the super sharp hooks are most often expensive, but if you find them in the bargain bin go for it.
Saltwater hooks should be stainless since they will rust when put back in your fly box if they are steel. However, if they are simple flies that get chewed up and wouldn't be put back in the fly box, plain steel is OK. The rinsing thing only goes so far. The hook will rust deep inside the fly after being wet, so a rinsed fly with a steel hook can look fine, but break on a good fish since it is shot inside.
I'm of the fly tying school where one tries to be creative and find cheap materials at places other than a fly shop. Of course, the materials at a fly shop are usually better suited for fly tying - but that doesn't stop me from trying other stuff.
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
Hey that reminds me. How was that epic float trip you and Trout Fever put together? I'm guessing you are putting the final touches on the presentation for all of us...waiting waiting.......Still waiting....
didnt think about the inside part of the hook rusting,, maybe rinsing them in the sink really well will make them last longer..at least until i get good at tying and then ill use good hooks...just experimenteing now anyway
CTobias
Professional BS'r
If you found cheap hooks, good for you man. Especially if you're just getting into fly tying it's better to practice on cheap hooks.
Just because it's tied on a tiemco, gamikatsu, umpqua, or other high end hook, doesn't mean it's a better fly.
Don't worry about Macfly, he's just mad because the fish in his avatar picture went belly up after he used that nylon mesh net to scoop it out of the water.
Just because it's tied on a tiemco, gamikatsu, umpqua, or other high end hook, doesn't mean it's a better fly.
Don't worry about Macfly, he's just mad because the fish in his avatar picture went belly up after he used that nylon mesh net to scoop it out of the water.
HeadlessVerseman
New member
I can vouch that Allen Fly Fishing has the best deals on hooks currently. if you want barbless options, they aren't providing any currently, so trout legend is a really good source for barbless hooks at the best price ive found.
with that said, I purchased eagle claw 1/0 massive hooks and they tie just fine. flat eye hook, wide bend, short shank, and heavy. just what I was looking for. I use them for bass poppers as well as for really big articulated flies and I have caught trout on them just fine. Don't let these purists get in your way.
With that said, most are not suitable for your needs though. Allen Fly Fishing is a better option.
with that said, I purchased eagle claw 1/0 massive hooks and they tie just fine. flat eye hook, wide bend, short shank, and heavy. just what I was looking for. I use them for bass poppers as well as for really big articulated flies and I have caught trout on them just fine. Don't let these purists get in your way.
With that said, most are not suitable for your needs though. Allen Fly Fishing is a better option.
WBDluver
Official NEFF pot stirrer
I thought you did not see my post and I got in a cheap shot for free.
And as for the float, Trout fever had on his little girl panties and got scared just because the West Branch was running around 5000 to 7000 CFS at the time. He has not brought it up since. He must have seen some of my pics and realize that he would be in the presence of greatness. Being good is actually a curse!
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
That is clearly a rubber net you half wit...Ah what can you expect from a marine
BTW boat is going in the water tomorrow for the first time!!!---------- Post added at 02:48 PM ---------- Previous post was at 02:45 PM ----------
didnt think about the inside part of the hook rustingAnd by using that rusted hook you will increase fish mortality 5 hundred fold..Why not just throw some power bait on a treble hook and free spool your line
,, maybe rinsing them in the sink really well will make them last longer..at least until i get good at tying and then ill use good hooks...just experimenteing now anywayyeah on how you can kill more fish with rusty hooks..who are you anyway.>Dr Death
Im just busting your chops dude.. I dont even tie my own flies.. I do however have the best and most extensive collection of plastic fly cups of anyone on this site...which is nice
I was looking at the allen hooks...will prob get them from them next time i need some... waiting on the mustad 3407 DT stainless that i got off ebay for 5.25 for 25 of them...is this a good hook for clousers...that what i plan to use them on....what other patterns will work with this hook?
WBDluver
Official NEFF pot stirrer
That is clearly a rubber net you half wit...Ah what can you expect from a marine
Where are you launching from and what time do you want me to be there?
Trout Fever
New member
thats like bass fishing in the summer with rubber worms and not surface
MACFLY
Too many streams too little time
That is clearly a rubber net you half wit...Ah what can you expect from a marine
Where are you launching from and what time do you want me to be there?
I will be somewhere North of Hancock. If you guess you can come along
Trout Fever
New member
mac you bought a drift boat?
CTobias
Professional BS'r
Haha....hey now...give him a chance......besides....is he going to be running an rivers with rollers in that thing? I don't think we'll see him on the SR andytime soon in it.
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That is clearly a rubber net you half wit...Ah what can you expect from a marine
Now now......I don't use nets. I just pile my fish on the bank so I don't catch the same ones twice and then put them back after I'm done fishing that spot.
Just kidding for some of you who actually believe I am being serious.
