Is Climate change science really settled?

lightenup said:
I believe you asked the same question of others here......you worded it differently, but same question........
I have already given my view on climate change and this over discussed discussion..
So reading comprehension seems to be your problem, not mine...boob:bouncing-boobs:
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And you would be wrong. I asked beetle the question because he likes to post passive aggressive statements . However read my original post. If you believe humans are contributing or are largely responsible for a rise in temp then the solution to resolve it is best served by a free market approach. This is of course fundamentally different the folks who are 100% bought in. They see capitalism as the problem which calls into question their real motives. One example

It's generally recognized that nuclear energy has the ability to supply much of our energy and yet you would be hard pressed to find a new facility being built anywhere these days.

Environmentalists were pushing for more solar and wind power them fought several commercial projects out in California and in the northeast.

So they don't want fossil fuels but they aren't quite sure what the replacement for fossil fuel will be.
 
If you believe that humans are the reason for the rise in temps, as everyone seems to think, then everyone, everywhere, dances around the most obvious solution of all. Less Humans.
 
Trout Nazi said:
If you believe that humans are the reason for the rise in temps, as everyone seems to think, then everyone, everywhere, dances around the most obvious solution of all. Less Humans.
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Can we take beetle out first and them recalibrate:)
 
MACFLY said:
And you would be wrong. I asked beetle the question because he likes to post passive aggressive statements . However read my original post. If you believe humans are contributing or are largely responsible for a rise in temp then the solution to resolve it is best served by a free market approach. This is of course fundamentally different the folks who are 100% bought in. They see capitalism as the problem which calls into question their real motives. One example

It's generally recognized that nuclear energy has the ability to supply much of our energy and yet you would be hard pressed to find a new facility being built anywhere these days.

Environmentalists were pushing for more solar and wind power them fought several commercial projects out in California and in the northeast.

So they don't want fossil fuels but they aren't quite sure what the replacement for fossil fuel will be.
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.....and humans are very irresponsible with nuclear power......and way to greedy for a free market approach, and the NIMBY's all piss and moan about the wind turbines and solar fields...so a free market approach won't fix anything, except create pockets full of money for those who play the game.......there is no fix....
It won't be fixed by people....again, if I am alive when the earth sneezes, I hope it is quick and painless....
So your thoughts on the subject Mac, all you are doing is asking questions, tell me how you would answer them.....
 
MACFLY said:
Environmentalists were pushing for more solar and wind power them fought several commercial projects out in California and in the northeast.
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Sadly this is true, and often reflects an overly ideological approach to energy/carbon emissions reform. While I have nothing against California Condors, I would gladly trade them for a significant overall improvement to the environment. IMO, it's time to start triaging endangered populations and environmental problems. Sadly, some things just can't or won't be fixed in our current political/social/economic climate, so we need to focus on the things than we can help. Maybe this will change moving into the future, but we have to work with what we have now.

Trout Nazi said:
If you believe that humans are the reason for the rise in temps, as everyone seems to think, then everyone, everywhere, dances around the most obvious solution of all. Less Humans.
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Like this. So very true. Condom up, asshats.
 
lightenup said:
.....and humans are very irresponsible with nuclear power......and way to greedy for a free market approach, and the NIMBY's all piss and moan about the wind turbines and solar fields...so a free market approach won't fix anything, except create pockets full of money for those who play the game.......there is no fix....
It won't be fixed by people....again, if I am alive when the earth sneezes, I hope it is quick and painless....
So your thoughts on the subject Mac, all you are doing is asking questions, tell me how you would answer them.....
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Your analysis is completely incorrect but at least you are consistent. Humans aren't irresponsible with nuclear energy. The plants that could be built today are incredibly efficient and safe. Don't be a boob. On top of that there are literally dozens of practical initiatives like modernizing our energy grid that create jobs.

To put it bluntly the only way to do this is with a free market approach. It's ok to ask questions and the purpose of this thread isnt to try to solve the problem but perhaps to expand your understanding of the issue or issues around this topic.
 
MACFLY said:
Your analysis is completely incorrect but at least you are consistent. Humans aren't irresponsible with nuclear energy. The plants that could be built today are incredibly efficient and safe. Don't be a boob. On top of that there are literally dozens of practical initiatives like modernizing our energy grid that create jobs.

To put it bluntly the only way to do this is with a free market approach. It's ok to ask questions and the purpose of this thread isnt to try to solve the problem but perhaps to expand your understanding of the issue or issues around this topic.
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Fukishima, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl....and wait until there is a large Earthquake in California, which is inevitable....there is a large nuclear plant built on the San Andreas fault line...sound responsible to me......
 
lightenup said:
Fukishima, Three Mile Island, Chernobyl....and wait until there is a large Earthquake in California, which is inevitable....there is a large nuclear plant built on the San Andreas fault line...sound responsible to me......
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first off don't compare anything we build to the Russians. Second go read up on three mile Islamd which was 40 years ago. Third yeah Fukushima don't build on a fault line got it. You know you are beginning to sound like one of those anti capitalist boobs. Do some reading on the state of the art nuclear power plants that can be built today before you spout off on the topic. Finally if you want to have abundant power with no risks and no pollution you need to take the next flight to shangri la cause it's not really possible. Everything we do has risks and downsides to it. Solar panels are built with rare earth components that happen to be quite toxic.

So sit inside your McDonald's drive thru and wait for the earth to fart or at least offer up something viable to the thread not Chernobyl. Jeez you are such a boob
 
Mac..Global warming is a world wide problem, no matter who or what caused it....so we must consider what everyone builds.....I understand we have come a long way with technology and that helps, but the human race is far too short sighted.......and yes everything has risks, especially creating energy......we are the problem, you are missing my point...we are the problem...the human race is akin to a virus on the planet.....so you sit at home selling overpriced used fly fishing equipment, and whatever else you do, and continue to be short sighted and blinded by the human races inability to fix anything. Think a bit deeper into the problems...there are no fixes, only band-aids that will eventually fall off. We are on a road to disaster, and nothing can stop it...it is just a matter of when.......as TN said...too many people, and there is no reasonable fix for that one. Like I said, go to work, pay your bills, love your family and fish...try enjoy what you have......boob..:bouncing-boobs:

Happy belated birthday to Yosemite National Park....
 
Mac, i must attend to the drive-thru now, so I won't be around to try to make you think a little deeper for a while...but please, give it a shot....
 
lightenup said:
Mac..Global warming is a world wide problem, no matter who or what caused it....so we must consider what everyone builds.....I understand we have come a long way with technology and that helps, but the human race is far too short sighted.......and yes everything has risks, especially creating energy......we are the problem, you are missing my point...we are the problem...the human race is akin to a virus on the planet.....so you sit at home selling overpriced used fly fishing equipment, and whatever else you do, and continue to be short sighted and blinded by the human races inability to fix anything. Think a bit deeper into the problems...there are no fixes, only band-aids that will eventually fall off. We are on a road to disaster, and nothing can stop it...it is just a matter of when.......as TN said...too many people, and there is no reasonable fix for that one. Like I said, go to work, pay your bills, love your family and fish...try enjoy what you have......boob..:bouncing-boobs:

Happy belated birthday to Yosemite National Park....
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Everything I have read said we haven't increased in temperature for the last decade, and Arctic Sea ice is growing.

I have also read enough here to still know that none of you fish enough.
 
lightenup said:
Mac..Global warming is a world wide problem, no matter who or what caused it....so we must consider what everyone builds.....I understand we have come a long way with technology and that helps, but the human race is far too short sighted.......and yes everything has risks, especially creating energy......we are the problem, you are missing my point...we are the problem...the human race is akin to a virus on the planet.....so you sit at home selling overpriced used fly fishing equipment, and whatever else you do, and continue to be short sighted and blinded by the human races inability to fix anything. Think a bit deeper into the problems...there are no fixes, only band-aids that will eventually fall off. We are on a road to disaster, and nothing can stop it...it is just a matter of when.......as TN said...too many people, and there is no reasonable fix for that one. Like I said, go to work, pay your bills, love your family and fish...try enjoy what you have......boob..:bouncing-boobs:

Happy belated birthday to Yosemite National Park....
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Lightenup Id like to continue this thread and you are welcome to add your views. I fundamentally disagree with everything you have said. I can't stress enough how ridiculous your assertion that we are a virus on Mother Earth is. If you feel guilty about what you are doing to the planet feel free to stop anytime. I think if you would look back in time and see all that has transpired you will see that our impact or ability to destroy the earth is quite minuscule. As humans we have the capacity to do harm or do good. Either way the earth is going to keep ticking along. Believe it.
 
We will see what happens as the population continues to expands........and I never said we will destroy the Earth...she will shrug us off with her "immune system" when she is ready....We already have problems feeding the existing populations, and they keep growing.....it will only get worse if the climate continues to warm. ....it is just reality.....

Oh thanks censor master for allowing me to continue in the conversation. ...I disagree with you..but I am good with that..;)
 
lightenup said:
We will see what happens as the population expands........and I never said we will destroy the Earth...she will shrug us off with her "immune system" when she is ready....We already have problems feeding the existing populations, and they keep growing.....it will only get worse if the climate continues to warm. ....it is just reality.....

Oh thanks censor master for allowing me to continue in the conversation. ...I disagree with you..but I am good with that..;)
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You said we were a virus on Mother Earth. Virus's destroy things. Perhaps you should rephrase. has the earth warmed in the last 17 years and 11 months or are we in fact in a cooling period.

If we are the virus you purport us to be why is the earth cooling. Our industrial output only curtailed in 2009-12 then started to ramp up. Even while our output in those couple of years dipped China and India chruned along at a great clip. So the reality is LU right now we are cooling not warming. Now I have no doubt that we can through the use of innovative technology reduce greenhouse gases to levels that would suggest we are not adding any CO2 to the atmosphere. If we are going to reduce we should do it through a free market approach and not under government fiat or worse yet a UN mandated law that sees our economy destroyed.

As for censorship I have only censored beetle and simms because they are both morons. Dluver once in a while as well but only because it makes me laugh. Now pipe down Cyrus the virus
 
MACFLY said:
You said we were a virus on Mother Earth. Virus's destroy things. Perhaps you should rephrase. has the earth warmed in the last 17 years and 11 months or are we in fact in a cooling period.

If we are the virus you purport us to be why is the earth cooling. Our industrial output only curtailed in 2009-12 then started to ramp up. Even while our output in those couple of years dipped China and India chruned along at a great clip. So the reality is LU right now we are cooling not warming. Now I have no doubt that we can through the use of innovative technology reduce greenhouse gases to levels that would suggest we are not adding any CO2 to the atmosphere. If we are going to reduce we should do it through a free market approach and not under government fiat or worse yet a UN mandated law that sees our economy destroyed.

As for censorship I have only censored beetle and simms because they are both morons. Dluver once in a while as well but only because it makes me laugh. Now pipe down Cyrus the virus
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Viruses don't destroy the host all the time, but they try boob..The immune system of the earth will cure cyrus the virus.......you should censor yourself. .......
 
lightenup said:
Viruses don't destroy the host all the time, but they try boob..The immune system of the earth will cure cyrus the virus.......you should censor yourself. .......
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I heard if you censor yourself you can go blind. Which is why you probably can't see too good. Now go hug a tree
 
MACFLY said:
I heard if you censor yourself you can go blind. Which is why you probably can't see too good. Now go hug a tree
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Hugging trees will give you a rash........I tie on size 24s with 7x tippet without glasses boob....now go burn something and help with the cooling trends..
 
lightenup said:
Hugging trees will give you a rash........I tie on size 24s with 7x tippet without glasses boob....now go burn something and help with the cooling trends..
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You really just said you tie on size 24 flies on 7x tippet. What a boob
 
MACFLY said:
You said we were a virus on Mother Earth. Virus's destroy things. Perhaps you should rephrase. has the earth warmed in the last 17 years and 11 months or are we in fact in a cooling period.

If we are the virus you purport us to be why is the earth cooling. Our industrial output only curtailed in 2009-12 then started to ramp up. Even while our output in those couple of years dipped China and India chruned along at a great clip. So the reality is LU right now we are cooling not warming. Now I have no doubt that we can through the use of innovative technology reduce greenhouse gases to levels that would suggest we are not adding any CO2 to the atmosphere. If we are going to reduce we should do it through a free market approach and not under government fiat or worse yet a UN mandated law that sees our economy destroyed.


As for censorship I have only censored beetle and simms because they are both morons. Dluver once in a while as well but only because it makes me laugh. Now pipe down Cyrus the virus
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Mac- I'd like to see the data that shows the earth is cooling. I may have missed it, but every bit of scientific data I have found points to a steady warming trend. See this from NOAA, which is as far as I know, a reliable source.
https://www.climate.gov/news-features/understanding-climate/climate-change-global-temperature
 
Speaking of viruses, how fucking stupid (yes, I have to curse to stress this point) is our government for continuing to bring Ebola patients to the US?
 
lightenup said:
Viruses don't destroy the host all the time, but they try boob..The immune system of the earth will cure cyrus the virus.......you should censor yourself. .......
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This is a good analogy. If a meteor or a thermonuclear event doesn't get us, disease is very likely. Look at this Ebola thing, and the guy who got off of the plane in Houston. The outcome may have been a little different if he got off of the plane in Mumbai or Beijing. These scenarios are not as impossible as you think they may be.
 
Trout Nazi said:
Speaking of viruses, how fucking stupid (yes, I have to curse to stress this point) is our government for continuing to bring Ebola patients to the US?
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I don't get why anyone is allowed to fly in or out of those infected West African countries right now.
 
eddavidson9 said:
I know...i'm such an effing liar...oh well...

Global Warming: Trend and Variation
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Finally, someone that understands statistics. I was only responding to MAC's statement that the earth was in a cooling trend. All, and I mean all of the historical data points to a warming trend overall.
I'm not discussing the whys and wherefores of the warming trend, only that the trend is warming not cooling. You can't refute that historical data unless you have your own numbers from all those years and can prove that NOAA is wrong for some explainable reason.
 
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