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Hatch vs. Spinner Fall
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Future Fanatic
Nirvana
ANd here I thought that he would have answered: Hatch: Thing you close when the weather gets rough at sea AND Spinner Fall:when the prop comes off and you have to send out the divers...
NJFred
Trout Hunter
Hmmm... I thought there were two kinds of Mayflys... those that hatched in the water and headed for the trees and those that hatched in the trees and headed to the water.
The ones that hatched in the trees looked much more fragile than the others and had clear wings. They seemed to die easily.
The ones that hatched in the trees looked much more fragile than the others and had clear wings. They seemed to die easily.
Corndog:
For being the first one with the correct answer, you get to wear a whirlybird on your nose today, to demonstrate to the rest of your co-workers your the man.
As always, knows what needs to be on Corndogs nose.
AK Skim
dcabarle
Administrator
Now that was funny!!!
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Working ALONE again today are ya....
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Yea, staying in the office today to try to figure out what Fred is secretly telling us.
Cdog
dcabarle
Administrator
Isonychia, swim out of the water and onto shore or rocks to hatch. Watch where you walk.
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Iso's are probably the mayfly I know the least about and have only fished a hatch maybe 3 or 4 times. The only place I've fished them was the BK. I've never seen them in NJ though they may be here, I don't know.
DC, can you elaborate on them?
Cdog
NJFred
Trout Hunter
Well in all seriousness... The point I was trying to make was a bit of a riddle... we do know a lot but there is alot we don't know.... But through observation if we get it 1/2 right we can catch fish.
There are no mayflies that hatch in trees. Sometimes as in isonychia.. .they can crawl onto a rock an hatch there. Mayflies do often molt in trees and return to the water in the spinner or imago form following completion of mating. Usurally dead with wings perpindicular to body but sometimes they ride the surface with wings upright looking like a dun before the Grim Reaper comes a calling (Chutes which imitate this can be deadly when trout are triggering on the upright wings of a spinner) Typically imago's have clear wings while regular mayflies do not.
So my point is... even if you think that certain mayflies hatch in trees, if you can imitate what you see on the water, you can catch fish. Obersvation does not have to be purfect!
And indeed... there is a lot we don't know about trout behavior and often our imitations are fairly crude. They work great sometimes and sometimes they don't at all.
Keen observation and solving mysteryies is what keep many of us coming back. Albeit, it's the other 1/2, the quest to solve what we can't and probably won't figure out, which defines a true flyfisherman.
There are no mayflies that hatch in trees. Sometimes as in isonychia.. .they can crawl onto a rock an hatch there. Mayflies do often molt in trees and return to the water in the spinner or imago form following completion of mating. Usurally dead with wings perpindicular to body but sometimes they ride the surface with wings upright looking like a dun before the Grim Reaper comes a calling (Chutes which imitate this can be deadly when trout are triggering on the upright wings of a spinner) Typically imago's have clear wings while regular mayflies do not.
So my point is... even if you think that certain mayflies hatch in trees, if you can imitate what you see on the water, you can catch fish. Obersvation does not have to be purfect!
And indeed... there is a lot we don't know about trout behavior and often our imitations are fairly crude. They work great sometimes and sometimes they don't at all.
Keen observation and solving mysteryies is what keep many of us coming back. Albeit, it's the other 1/2, the quest to solve what we can't and probably won't figure out, which defines a true flyfisherman.
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
dcabarle
Administrator
Not sure what you want to know but I'll elaborate about nothing specific.
Typically, as nymphs, they can be found around underwater plants and rocks. They are avid swimmers so bouncing from rock to plants isn't uncommon. I watched them for quite some time and they definitely don't stay in one place for any long period of time. ISO nymphs work great because of this reason... From what I've witnessed, they can't out-swim a trout whereas a nymph emerging such as a March Brown, is a bit harder for the trout. The March Browns shed their nymphal skin underwater then swim to the surface to spread their wings. I suppose technically, they hatch underwater whereas the ISO nymph crawls out from the water and onto land. I have a video of this somewhere.
Al Caucci's Hatches II as well as the Pocket Guide, mentions that in places like the Delaware River where the streams are large with nothing to crawl out to, they will in fact hatch in the water film. This is where the ISO Emerger kicks ass!
The image of the ugly purple fly was picked up in Montana about 5 years ago. I laughed at it until I started catching fish. I figured I'd pick a few up and try them around here for the ISO's. These things kick some ass on the Delaware river. Try them out.
The Parachute ISO is pretty standard issue... Nothing special, floats like a cork for about 6 seconds then sinks like a brick.
Just kidding.Then the CDC Emerger. On the Delaware, this is probably the most effective ISO pattern for me. (notice the "for me"). I'm not sure what others are catching them on but I manage to do pretty good with this pattern.
Of course, if none of these work for you, try on a nice big ADAMS. You can't go wrong with this fly!
There is also the Weamer Truform version, but I haven't tried this one yet. I have a few of these that I purchased a few weeks ago. I'm sure they are ISO's just slapped into the Hendrickson barrel (probably ran out of Hendricksons!)
The ISO's are larger than the Hendricksons, so it was pretty easy to spot this. Anyone not knowing the difference, most likely picked them up and figured, "it's Hendrickson season, it's marked as a Hendrickson, must be a Hendrickson"... these are the guys who of course don't know their asses from their elbows. Here's a little description I wrote a while back:
'Gray Drake' - North Eastern Fly Fishing's Online Photo Gallery
and of course, more photo's of ISO's.
Isonychia - North Eastern Fly Fishing's Online Photo Gallery
I guess that's about it for now... Anything else?
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NJFred
Trout Hunter
Nice Dennis, the ISO discussion is on target! and thanks for the complement Cdog.
For underwater try zugbugs to imitate the nymph.
It's also one of the few bugs in a chute or comparadun form on the Delaware you can blind cast to likely spots and get some takes.
They are affectionally known as "trout candy" for good reason!
For underwater try zugbugs to imitate the nymph.
It's also one of the few bugs in a chute or comparadun form on the Delaware you can blind cast to likely spots and get some takes.
They are affectionally known as "trout candy" for good reason!
Ever notice that flies tied in purple and blue attract trout, steelhead, and salmon?
Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
Yes, but as for salmon...most guys attract them with a bare hook.
I overheard a ranger on the SR once say to 4 guys he was hauling off the river, "Bring the salmon to the hook, not the hook to the salmon."
Cdog
Future Fanatic
Nirvana
I can't imagine where you picked up those ridiculous purple things. Who in their right mind would sell those? Or BUY them...
DC ONLY: I brought home half a dozen "purple haze" in two sizes. I've had no luck with them on the D. I'll keep trying, now.
BIGBOW
Wilderness Fanatic
Battenkill or Beaverkill? Hit a hatch of these about midsummer last year right in the Gorge. If I recall, it was pretty muggy and hot out, but the water was just under 70.
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I bet you didn't "question" them enought before you purchased them.
As always, glad to hear you'll keep trying.
AK Skim
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Corndog
Ephemerella Subvaria
BK stands for Beaverkill. If I were refering to the Battenkill, I would have said BnofishK.
Cdog
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