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Good news for Hemlocks(and the streams they benefit)

Science, bugs team up to fight hemlock-eating pest - Yahoo! News

Science, bugs team up to fight hemlock-eating pest
AP – This Aug. 18, 2010 photo released by the U.S. Forest Service shows a close-up of hemlock woolly adelgid, … By KATHY McCORMACK, Associated Press Kathy Mccormack, Associated Press – Tue Jan 4, 2:56 pm ET
CONCORD, N.H. – For nearly 60 years, scientists have watched helplessly as a war of bug vs. hemlock played out from Georgia to Maine. Now they've got a new weapon in their arsenal — another bug — and say the tide is turning, at least in New England.

The hemlock woolly adelgid, native to Asia, was discovered in Virginia in 1951. Since then, it has spread to suck up the sap of the stately evergreens in at least 16 Eastern states, including in New England, which hasn't lost large numbers of trees yet.

A beetle that eats the adelgid (pronounced uh-DEL-jid) was found in Idaho and was introduced to forests in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine and New York in 2007. Since then, entomologists have determined that the predator, which is able to withstand cold weather better than its cousins, is doing its job.

"We're getting ahead of the game, essentially," said Mike Bohne, a U.S. Forest Service entomologist in Durham, N.H.

Adelgids can weaken and kill a hemlock over several years. Their eggs appear as white, woolly batches on the underside of branch tips. Sections of hemlock forests in the South, such as in the Blue Ridge, Shenandoah and Great Smoky mountains, have been devastated.

It usually takes years to see results, Bohne said, but entomologists found that the number of beetles had increased after 1 1/2 years in the Finger Lakes of New York, as well as in a couple of state forests in Massachusetts and in Brattleboro, Vt.

"It's very exciting in that the beetles are responding to their new environment and eating adelgids," Bohne said. "It'll take some time before we'll see a huge population, but ultimately, it's a very, very positive sign."

The beetle, called Laricobius nigrinus, appears to be more successful at eating the bad bugs in New England than a similar beetle native to Washington state. Scientists started introducing that beetle to the 16 affected states in 2003, but it has spread significantly only in the warmer South.

"There's no doubt that this beetle has been the favored child of everything we've looked at so far," said Brad Onken, a Forest Service entomologist in Morgantown, W.Va.

Saving the hemlocks, which grow near rivers and streams, is critical to the health of forests and wildlife, entomologists say. Dying hemlocks affect water quality and soil erosion and could affect other species, said David Mausel, a University of Massachusetts entomologist.

"Many birds, animals, insects and plants depend upon the unique habitat provided by the eastern hemlock," he said.

There aren't very many trees in the Northeast that can survive in the same habitat as a hemlock, Bohne said.

"It affects everything from migratory bird patterns to extreme temperatures," he said. "If you see a death of hemlocks, the streams that flow underneath them will receive more sunlight, and that can affect things like native brook trout."

Trees have been treated with insecticides, but some states restrict the chemicals' use near water and are very expensive, Bohne said. That's why a natural predator like the beetle is a great help.

"We're never going to eradicate it," he said of the adelgid. "What we're shooting for is just the natural predator-to-prey ratio that keeps other forest pests in check," such as in the Pacific Northwest.

In Maine, for example, forest officials say they've detected a new outbreak of the adelgid — it appears to be spreading up the coast — and recently released more beetles to combat it.

Researchers have conducted extensive lab testing to make sure the introduction of the beetle would not harm other species.

"You always have to balance the consequences with the potential benefits," said Mark Whitmore, a Cornell University forest entomologist. "The tests we go through are very rigorous to make sure the predator preys on only this one species of pest."

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Online:

U.S. Forest Service, Northeastern area

Hemlock Woolly Adelgid, Forest Health Protection, USDA Forest Service

(This version CORRECTS the two paragraphs beginning 'There aren't ...' to attribute them to Bohne, not Mausel.)
 
I predict that in 5-7 years we will be hearing new reports of a non native beetle that is now causing havoc on flora and fauna followed by a discovery of a small reptile that can eat the beetle and on and on and on:)
Science, bugs team up to fight hemlock-eating pest - Yahoo! News

Science, bugs team up to fight hemlock-eating pest
AP – This Aug. 18, 2010 photo released by the U.S. Forest Service shows a close-up of hemlock woolly adelgid, … By KATHY McCORMACK, Associated Press Kathy Mccormack, Associated Press – Tue Jan 4, 2:56 pm ET
CONCORD, N.H. – For nearly 60 years, scientists have watched helplessly as a war of bug vs. hemlock played out from Georgia to Maine. Now they've got a new weapon in their arsenal — another bug — and say the tide is turning, at least in New England.

The hemlock woolly adelgid, native to Asia, was discovered in Virginia in 1951. Since then, it has spread to suck up the sap of the stately evergreens in at least 16 Eastern states, including in New England, which hasn't lost large numbers of trees yet.

A beetle that eats the adelgid (pronounced uh-DEL-jid) was found in Idaho and was introduced to forests in Massachusetts, New Hampshire, Vermont, Maine and New York in 2007. Since then, entomologists have determined that the predator, which is able to withstand cold weather better than its cousins, is doing its job.

"We're getting ahead of the game, essentially," said Mike Bohne, a U.S. Forest Service entomologist in Durham, N.H.

Adelgids can weaken and kill a hemlock over several years. Their eggs appear as white, woolly batches on the underside of branch tips. Sections of hemlock forests in the South, such as in the Blue Ridge, Shenandoah and Great Smoky mountains, have been devastated.

It usually takes years to see results, Bohne said, but entomologists found that the number of beetles had increased after 1 1/2 years in the Finger Lakes of New York, as well as in a couple of state forests in Massachusetts and in Brattleboro, Vt.

"It's very exciting in that the beetles are responding to their new environment and eating adelgids," Bohne said. "It'll take some time before we'll see a huge population, but ultimately, it's a very, very positive sign."

The beetle, called Laricobius nigrinus, appears to be more successful at eating the bad bugs in New England than a similar beetle native to Washington state. Scientists started introducing that beetle to the 16 affected states in 2003, but it has spread significantly only in the warmer South.

"There's no doubt that this beetle has been the favored child of everything we've looked at so far," said Brad Onken, a Forest Service entomologist in Morgantown, W.Va.

Saving the hemlocks, which grow near rivers and streams, is critical to the health of forests and wildlife, entomologists say. Dying hemlocks affect water quality and soil erosion and could affect other species, said David Mausel, a University of Massachusetts entomologist.

"Many birds, animals, insects and plants depend upon the unique habitat provided by the eastern hemlock," he said.

There aren't very many trees in the Northeast that can survive in the same habitat as a hemlock, Bohne said.

"It affects everything from migratory bird patterns to extreme temperatures," he said. "If you see a death of hemlocks, the streams that flow underneath them will receive more sunlight, and that can affect things like native brook trout."

Trees have been treated with insecticides, but some states restrict the chemicals' use near water and are very expensive, Bohne said. That's why a natural predator like the beetle is a great help.

"We're never going to eradicate it," he said of the adelgid. "What we're shooting for is just the natural predator-to-prey ratio that keeps other forest pests in check," such as in the Pacific Northwest.

In Maine, for example, forest officials say they've detected a new outbreak of the adelgid — it appears to be spreading up the coast — and recently released more beetles to combat it.

Researchers have conducted extensive lab testing to make sure the introduction of the beetle would not harm other species.

"You always have to balance the consequences with the potential benefits," said Mark Whitmore, a Cornell University forest entomologist. "The tests we go through are very rigorous to make sure the predator preys on only this one species of pest."

___

Online:

U.S. Forest Service, Northeastern area

Hemlock Woolly Adelgid, Forest Health Protection, USDA Forest Service

(This version CORRECTS the two paragraphs beginning 'There aren't ...' to attribute them to Bohne, not Mausel.)
 
Ok, lemme say this. I try my best to post on topic. On a fly fishing site, that's fly fishing.

You tree huggers sicken me.
 
Ok, lemme say this. I try my best to post on topic. On a fly fishing site, that's fly fishing.

You tree huggers sicken me.

Saving Hemlocks saves trout. When I started this thread in the "Trout Conservation" forum, I figured a thread about saving trout habitat was quite on topic (unlike your posts here).

But, hey, what do I know?

From the link I posted:

"More than principle is at stake in the battle to save the state tree. Property owners use hemlocks as landscape trees, but in the wild hemlocks commonly grow along steep slopes, shading rocky streams where trout thrive. Even in the dog days of summer, their dense shade creates a microclimate that keeps the swift-running water - and the air - deliciously cool. The Pocono Mountains have served as a mecca for trout fishermen for more than 100 years thanks in no small part to the canopy of deep-green hemlocks that stand vigil over the rushing streams."
 
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Lemme say this. Your a moron

If you meant to call me a moron, you should have written "you're a moron" or "you are a moron."

I assume you meant to sign your communicatIon, as in ...

"sincerely,

Your moron."

Thus you were referring to yourself?!
 
Saving Hemlocks saves trout. When I started this thread in the "Trout Conservation" forum, I figured a thread about saving trout habitat was quite on topic (unlike your posts here).

But, hey, what do I know?

I think dung beetle has gone off the wagon in a major way.
 
Here in NJ which saw the initial beetle releases (no, not that beetle), our hemlocks have reached an equilibrium with the adelgids and we are beginning to see new trees sprouting although we have lost an awful lot of our more mature trees over the past 2 or 3 decades since the infestation began in earnest.

I knew there was an effort to get a second predator control insect which has been in the works for many years now. Let's hope this one breeds more readily than the initial beetle (again, not that beetle, that one doesn't need to breed any more). Good article for a fracker.... :)
 
I'll really get two "controversies" going. Back in the day research in NYS indicated that hemlocks kept streams cooler than the deciduous trees that replaced them. How so? Less sunlight reached the forest floor since the hemlocks never lost their leaves while now sun hits the forest floor 5 months a year. This led to cooler soils and the snowpack lasted longer without the sun beating down on it. Hence, cooler stream temperatures and wetter soils leading to cooler, more even flows.

I said it; hemlocks and snow pack both help trout and even can have a synergistic effect.
 
I'll really get two "controversies" going. Back in the day research in NYS indicated that hemlocks kept streams cooler than the deciduous trees that replaced them. How so? Less sunlight reached the forest floor since the hemlocks never lost their leaves while now sun hits the forest floor 5 months a year. This led to cooler soils and the snowpack lasted longer without the sun beating down on it. Hence, cooler stream temperatures and wetter soils leading to cooler, more even flows.

I said it; hemlocks and snow pack both help trout and even can have a synergistic effect.
 
I'll really get two "controversies" going. Back in the day research in NYS indicated that hemlocks kept streams cooler than the deciduous trees that replaced them. How so? Less sunlight reached the forest floor since the hemlocks never lost their leaves while now sun hits the forest floor 5 months a year. This led to cooler soils and the snowpack lasted longer without the sun beating down on it. Hence, cooler stream temperatures and wetter soils leading to cooler, more even flows.

I said it; hemlocks and snow pack both help trout and even can have a synergistic effect.

Dumb Question: If hemlocks only benifit coldwater by providing year round shade why are they so highly prized over other conifer species?

Second Dumb Question: If year round shade is so helpful why is Rusty and TU planting deciduous willow on the banks of the Musky, wouldn't it be better to plant conifers to stablize the banks and provide more consistant shade?
 
Dumb Question: If hemlocks only benifit coldwater by providing year round shade why are they so highly prized over other conifer species?
As I understand it....
Hemlocks were the predominate species protecting our native brook trout streams.
As we lose them, the habitat degrades.
Second Dumb Question: If year round shade is so helpful why is Rusty and TU planting deciduous willow on the banks of the Musky, wouldn't it be better to plant conifers to stablize the banks and provide more consistant shade?
Willows are easily propagated from cuttings, without much "nurturing". This reduces the cost, and increases the success rate.
 
Dumb Question: If hemlocks only benifit coldwater by providing year round shade why are they so highly prized over other conifer species?

Second Dumb Question: If year round shade is so helpful why is Rusty and TU planting deciduous willow on the banks of the Musky, wouldn't it be better to plant conifers to stablize the banks and provide more consistant shade?

A few reasons. 1) Hemlocks are native and many other conifers are not. White pines are native, but lack the density of shade that hemlocks produce. 2) I do often add native white pines to my plantings. 3) I won't plant hemlocks until we have woolly adelgids in full control (why plant trees that aren't likely to do well?). 4) We're worried about water temps in summer months when deciduous trees provide ample shade cover. 5) Conifers of any species get eaten by deer just as do all the other plants we plant along streams. But conifers require large cages around them and that both costs a lot of $$ and cause problems in floods because large cages get easily knocked over by floating debris and that kills or tears out the plants inside.

Hope that answers your questions. Good questions and I wish I could plant more native conifers, including, or course, hemlocks.
 
4) We're worried about water temps in summer months when deciduous trees provide ample shade cover.

right, but the conifers like hemlocks help the snow pack last longer into the spring by shading them.

You don't like to plant non native plants correct? Bamboo would make a hell of a streamside planting in some places
 
Another issue with hemlocks are that they are generally a cooler weather tree that is a relic of the last glaciation (at least that is what I was taught 40 years ago - may not be current). Hemlocks have been retreating for a while after the last ice age and hang on in colder spots. Mostly they live in mountains and in glens where it is shaded and the hardwoods haven't taken over. Once they get knocked out hardwoods come in and it is hard to get the hemlocks back. I do see some sections of the Catskills that seem to be getting more hemlocks though.

I was told one problem with the adelgid infestation in NJ is that the trees are slightly stressed since they are at the warmer end of their range. The adelgids knocked out the hemlocks in the Virginia mountains before they became a problem in NJ and the trees further North hung on a little better. In NJ hemlocks and chestnuts shared to the same spots originally. After the first logging cycle the chestnuts took over - one big reason is that chestnuts can spread by runners from stumps, hemlocks need seed stock. Therefore, the chestnuts will come back quicker after logging. Then the chestnuts got hit by the blight and the forests changed again. Now resistant chestnuts are looking real and adelgids may be controlled. Eastern forest sure go round and round. Didn't even mention long horned beetles, emerald ash borers, dogwood blight, Dutch elm disease, etc.
 
One more Dumb Question!

If we have a tree by the side of a stream and it grows deep deep tap roots down to the 50 degree aquifer and then pulls that water up its roots does the soil around these roots cool? If so wouldn't trees with large leaves that transipre the most and thus move more water be better for cooling the ground and providing shade in the summer?
 
One more Dumb Question!

If we have a tree by the side of a stream and it grows deep deep tap roots down to the 50 degree aquifer and then pulls that water up its roots does the soil around these roots cool? If so wouldn't trees with large leaves that transipre the most and thus move more water be better for cooling the ground and providing shade in the summer?

Any ground water will be in that 50 degree range. All trees and shrubs, native and non, are tapping into that same water supply. Not sure if that answers your question or not. As for bamboo, it creates a monoculture which is highly undesirable.
 
I wonder who's the chicken and egg: The upper Neversink valley or Frost Valley is the coldest place in the Catskills besides the mountain tops. It has an abundance of hemlocks. I wonder if they thrived there because of the cold or they help make it cold and thus thrive. Chicken and egg. Also, weren't the hemlocks an important of the early tanning industry in the area.
 
Also, weren't the hemlocks an important of the early tanning industry in the area.

Yes, which is why the banks of the Delaware no longer are hemlock lined. They rafted them downstream to places along the big D in PA and NJ to the tanneries there. Jeff K is a wealth of info on this topic and I'm sure he'll weight back in.
 
Bamboo is popping up around New Hope right on the river. I'm sure it's in lots of other places too.
 
Hemlock bark was the major chemical involved with tanning back in the day. Why are the tanneries in the mountains and not by the slaughterhouses? It takes 4 tons of bark to tan one ton of hides so you move the raw hides to the bark. I imagine a load of fresh hides was pretty nasty when it got to the mountains. Tanning started in a big way in the 1820s (Thomas Cole was worried the Catskills would be stripped before he could paint all the good spots) and peaked in the Civil War. Civil War armies used a whole lot of leather goods from belts to saddles and harnesses. First the hides were soaked in lime water to loosen the hair and fat, which was then scraped off by hand with long draw knives. This was supposedly one of the nastiest jobs of all time. Of course the dregs were flushed down stream - tanning used a lot of water as well as hemlock bark.

After the hemlocks were gone a weird industry was cutting hardwood saplings for barrel hoops. At one time most everything was stored in wooden barrels and the hoops were hardwood strips. It was something farmers did in their free time to raise some hard cash and some poor folk moved up into the hills to do it full time. That was a lonely poor existence. My hometown of Phillipsburg and Lopatcong Ck has an odd tie to the hemlock tanning industry. Hemlock is a medicocre timber tree so mostly the tanners stripped the bark and left millions of hemlock trunks lie. A number of mills were set up along Lopatcong Ck to make cheap boxes and crates out of hemlock, which could be collected for free or cheap, rafted to Pburg down the Delaware, and then stored in the eddy at the mouth of Lopatcong Ck. Later these became pallet mills, which are all gone today.

After the hemlocks were gone American chestnuts took over many spots. These were important for RR ties before cheap chemical preservatives since chestnut is naturally rot resistance. Cutting raw ties was something Pocono farmers did for cash. These were floated down the nearest creek and collected along the Delaware, where the buyers would collect them into larger rafts to head down river.

Another use of the young hardwoods is for chemical feedstocks. The wood, preferably 1" or 2" beech or maple, was placed in a steel container and heated until the smoke was driven off. The smoke was dissolved in water to make pyroligneous acid (smoke in water) and was further treated to get acetic acid or acetate of lime and methanol (wood alcohol). Charcoal and tar were the residues which were also sold. The tar was used as "liquid smoke" to chemically cure meat until it was discovered to be carcinogenic. Methanol could be made into a green dye and one factory on Russell Brook made a lot of khaki dye from about 1914 through 1918. There were 100 "acid factories" in the Catskills from 1880 to about 1950 when the chemical industry switched to petrochemical feedstocks and the wood chemical industry died. famous remains are at Corbett on the east Branch, By the town of Willowemoc and near Hazel bridge on the Willow, and of course by the Acid Factory pool on the Beaver Kill. Usually the tar was so cheap it was burnt for fuel. However, in North Central PA, gas was cheaper (sound familiar) so it was used to cook the wood and the tar was chucked into the nearest creek. Tar pollution is still a problem today in some streams.

The Catskill and Pocono forests were worked hard for more than 100 years - something a lot of young people who have always know them don't realize sometimes. Some came back, others morphed into something else. Microclimates can foster growth of the species that cause them, introduced species and soil erosion can change things forever.
 
Thanks Jeff. That was quite interesting. Do you read about the area or have some passed down knowledge of some kind?
 
A little of both. I like to read and study, and BS with old timers, although I am fast becoming the old fart. At Corbett, Willowemoc, and Acid Factory there are now historical signs with photos explaining the wood chemical industry. I go on historical tours, especially involving industry, as much as possible.

Been studying the wood chemical industry of late and it is really tough. The chemical industry was changing so fast over that time period that the technology and the markets never stood still. We think we live in a time of rapid change, but the chemical industry was crazy back then as well. Of course to the guy cutting and stacking wood it probably looked the same. But then this was the time when loggers went from dragging wood out with horses to using tracked logging vehicles.

I forget who, it was either Darby or Dette, that had a story of starting out as a log cutter for the acid factories. He stacked the cords neatly and tightly according to his work ethic. The others soon mocked him since they cut corners to get more cords in a day so he quit in disgust, never returning to the logging business.
 
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