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View Poll Results: Should River access via River Road in Stockport be closed?

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  • No, it would deprive fishermen of an access point to great fishing water.

    57 77.03%
  • Yes, the owner should be able to have River Road closed if he likes.

    11 14.86%
  • Who cares, there are other places to fish that equal the fishing opportunities of Stockport.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    Wasn't this issue resolved years ago with anglers being allowed continued access? Just don't walk through the guy's yard and everything is cool. Many were lazy and walked through the corn field back in the day. Not sure if there is still corn planted there now or just a grass yard, but stick to the road until you get to the river and you'll be fine. Correct? I haven't been down there in at least 2 years myself.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    River road is twp road for the fire dept to access water from the river. The land around the road and the buildings were sold a couple of years ago, the road it is a public access and only the road.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgour Farms View Post
    River road is twp road for the fire dept to access water from the river. The land around the road and the buildings were sold a couple of years ago, the road it is a public access and only the road.
    Does anyone still live in the house? I know it went under water a few times. Just wondering if they ever fixed it up.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    The original owner of the house sold it a few years ago. It's a vacation home and as such is occupied from time to time. When parking along PA SR 191 make sure you don't block the mailbox so as to leave access for delivery and pick up. If you use the access for watercraft drive slow. Minimize dust, noise and pounding potholes into the road, not to mention the safety factor. Use four wheel drive to get up the river bank. Wheel spinning increases erosion and the utility of the access.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    I have been fishing the upper Delaware since 1967. Long before there was a house at the Stockport Road access. Way back then I used to see people pitching tents in the grove of trees closest to the road. I don't know if it was really an organized campground where people paid a fee to camp there or it was just known by campers that they could camp there and the property owner was okay with it.

    I didn't even bother to fish Stockport then because there were so many other places along the river that had much better, and bigger, fish. Also the places where I fished back in the late 1960's to late 1970's were virtually un-fished and I could go an entire season and see less than half a dozen guys on the river.

    Later when I did start to fish the River Road/Stockport access I used to just make a beeline right down to the river and would come out just upriver of where that little brook enters. But as soon as the house was built I no longer would cut through the property as it was now posted. I own property on the PA side of the WB and don't like fishermen walking across my property to get in, or out, of the river either. Ditto for where they park. I've had people park in my yard ignoring posted signs.

    Back when I started to fish the upper Delaware the ratio of rainbows to browns was about 5:1. There were just tons of rainbows and the average size rainbow was around 16". There were many 17" - 19" rainbows. They were very gullible back then and truth be told I rarely ever used any other fly than a #14 Adams or a #14 tan caddis with a mottled turkey wing and brown palmered hackle. I never went lighter then 4X because even in the summer there were still enough larger bugs that it wasn't required to go lighter.

    One particular day a friend and I borrowed an aluminum canoe. I can't even remember where we put in but I guess we took out at Buckingham. We caught plenty of fish all along the float but when we got to what we all now call "The Wall" it was really sick! We landed over a dozen rainbows, not a single brown, in about two hours. All the fish were hot and 16" - 19". I don't believe we saw another angler all day.

    A couple of scanned prints from a long time ago. Back in the late 1960's neither I nor my friend nor did probably a thousand other guys knew that pinching the gill area of a trout to unhook it was not the smartest thing to do. C&R was in it's infancy and I will admit to killing a few trout back them. This trout was released and was very healthy. As we rolled into the 1970's C&R became more popular and we all started to either kill less or kill none. I've not purposely killed a trout since the mid 1970's.

    Now the river is just a vestige of what it was in the mid 1960's. In my opinion the quality of the fishing has gone down significantly just since I retired in 2005. I rarely even bother to fish there anymore and instead choose to wade fish less popular sections of the main and it's branches.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    DE, before floods changed it.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    CDun,

    Do you believe the floods of 2006, 2010, and 2011 changed the river topography of the main stem or did the floods change the biodiversity of the river?

    Prior to the flood of June 2006 the pool where my cabin is situated on the WB fished pretty good. There was good insect life but I wouldn't of considered the pool to have held many bigger fish. There were plenty of 11" - 15" and a few 16" - 18" fish but very few and far between that were larger. The bottom of that pool was pretty much just small to medium sized cobble with a few larger rocks. During the flood many large boulders wound up getting dislodged from areas up river and as the flow receded many of them cam to rest in that pool. In the spring of 2007 there was an immediate uptick in not only the size of the browns but also in the numbers of bigger brown trout. That lasted until September of 2011 when the WB reached 22,500 cfs at Hale Eddy. I didn't get wet that time but the water did encroach to within 6" of grade.

    That high water event had an entirely different outcome to the pool and instead of bringing in rubble it brought in thousands of tons of silt. Now once I wade out more than 25' from the bank I start to sink into gooey mud and it is very hard to walk and get out of the mud. The invasion of the mud must of brought aquatic grass with it as there are now huge patches of aquatic vegetation throughout the middle of the pool and pretty much the entire width of the tail-out. The fishing pretty much has gone down from one of high quality with good numbers of bigger fish to one of very low numbers of bigger fish, far fewer rising fish, but no less guys wading the river.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    Like the VW van.


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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    Past flooding has changed drastically only one stretch of MS river as far down as Cochecton/Damascus.
    Minor to no changes in all other stretches.
    What has changed over those episodes is increased siltation of river bottom. Our once clean, pristine river rocks are gone.
    Insect populations have decreased over the years and so has fish populations.
    Pools where I once had 30+ fish feeding in an eve now may have a bit over a dozen if lucky.

    All the above plus spin fisherman continue to kill many fish each year, 30+ lazy ass driftboats/stinktoons daily beating up fish leaving NO sanctuaries for fish, increased fisherman every year due to fly shops, fly fishing shows, internet, etc. Come on up and for $475 + a tip you can fish the best in the East, the World Class Trout Fishery of the Upper Delaware. I hardly think so. Sad. A joke.......and the circus continues.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    Quote Originally Posted by comparadun View Post
    Past flooding has changed drastically only one stretch of MS river as far down as Cochecton/Damascus.
    Minor to no changes in all other stretches.
    What has changed over those episodes is increased siltation of river bottom. Our once clean, pristine river rocks are gone.
    Insect populations have decreased over the years and so has fish populations.
    Pools where I once had 30+ fish feeding in an eve now may have a bit over a dozen if lucky.

    All the above plus spin fisherman continue to kill many fish each year, 30+ lazy ass driftboats/stinktoons daily beating up fish leaving NO sanctuaries for fish, increased fisherman every year due to fly shops, fly fishing shows, internet, etc. Come on up and for $475 + a tip you can fish the best in the East, the World Class Trout Fishery of the Upper Delaware. I hardly think so. Sad. A joke.......and the circus continues.

    The Facts.....................CDun.
    Cdun great post .
    We all can agree with you. The pressure is increasing probably the percentages people fishing if you account for population growth probably have not changed. More people more people fishing Insect populations are also in decline. I think it is more of an environmental thing (road salt) then a silt thing. If it was an over silting condition borrowing insects would have a better environment. They would be in better numbers then rock crawlers. Not the case. As far as the added pressure to the fishery there are thing to consider that refrain from a selfish view point. The increase in pressure does in fact have a positive aspect. It brings focus on the fishery and the environmental concerns that are associated with it. It also brings money into a region that would be way worse off then without it. I understand your point that the fishery is invaded every year and the fish have no refuge. The fish arenít a fragile as you think. Their only instinct in life is survival and they are very adapted to do that. Most of us can agree that there should be a focus on C&R. This is where the guides and shops the cater to fishermen can do their best to educate that net to the creel guy.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    I have to disagree with your road salt theory. There is not much more today than was dumped on the roads in the past. It's not a thriving metropolis here.

    Siltation and I'll even throw rock snot in there(upper WB and EB) is a far greater factor. Just look at the releases from Cannonsville today vs many years ago. Before you know it every season.......silt in the release starts coming down the WB.

    The increase in pressure does bring focus on this fishery. Has this actually helped improve the fishery to date............no.

    Certainly the increased money helps the local economy in this region.

    These fish are survivors indeed and not as fragile as one my think, but, catch and release over and over again by the hordes of fisherman can weaken fish, increasing mortality;even after spawning or even their ability to survive Winters. I've seen many lazy ass drifters in the past hold a HUGE 17" -18" fish out of the water way too long for a hero shot and wonder why it takes so long to revive the thing to swim away. It may swim away, but, did it survive? Guides and shops contribute more and more to this behavior to make their $$. Do they really care about this fishery? It makes you wonder. The Upper Delaware used to be a World Class Fishery as WBranch will attest to.....nowadays, the Upper Delaware is an abused fishery as most have become across the USA.

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    Re: Should River access be Closed via River Road in Stockport?

    I lived in that van June, July, and August from 1968 - 1972 when I used to quit my job and drive out to Montana. I've attached a bunch of scanned prints from back in those days. BTW this was all pre graphite fly fishing. You can see from the pictures a Leonard Baby Catskill 7' #4 and anOrvis 7 1/2' Midge #5. I also had an Orvis Flea 6 1/2' #4, an Orvis 7 1/2' Madison, and a couple of 8 1/2' - 9' Fenwick glass rods for the Madison, Yellowstone, and Beaverhead. The guy in the background might even be a NEFF member. He lives in NJ and is a rep for all kinds of fly fishing tackle.

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