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    Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    I got mine in the mail yesterday and I thought maybe some of you might find this interesting. Rusty! Check out page eight...seems they're a man down...

    https://www.dcswcd.org/SWCD/Winter_2...er_2016-17.pdf

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    HOLY SHIT!!!! Page 7 shows a 1,500' section of the river that was restored for $1.3 million. I just attended a meeting in Virginia yesterday on a similar type of project. If I was to quote it blind, I would be at about $64,000 and that includes survey, design, permitting, boulders and plantings, and in-stream construction. It amazes me when they hire so-called stream restoration engineers and pay through the nose using tax payer dollars. Heck, if I quadrupled my rate and bid the job at $240,000, I could put my daughter through college after 2 jobs of this small length!!!! Time to reach out to the county and enlighten them that they are grossly over paying for these projects.....and then time to increase my rate 10x for any bids I go after there.

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    HOLY SHIT!!!! Page 7 shows a 1,500' section of the river that was restored for $1.3 million. I just attended a meeting in Virginia yesterday on a similar type of project. If I was to quote it blind, I would be at about $64,000 and that includes survey, design, permitting, boulders and plantings, and in-stream construction
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    Yeah, but your estimate didn't include grass seed and that awesome aerial photo.

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    HOLY SHIT!!!! Page 7 shows a 1,500' section of the river that was restored for $1.3 million. I just attended a meeting in Virginia yesterday on a similar type of project. If I was to quote it blind, I would be at about $64,000 and that includes survey, design, permitting, boulders and plantings, and in-stream construction. It amazes me when they hire so-called stream restoration engineers and pay through the nose using tax payer dollars. Heck, if I quadrupled my rate and bid the job at $240,000, I could put my daughter through college after 2 jobs of this small length!!!! Time to reach out to the county and enlighten them that they are grossly over paying for these projects.....and then time to increase my rate 10x for any bids I go after there.
    That is NY for you -Wasteful spending.I'm sure the DEP was behind the project because they know the quality of the water in the Cannonsville is in the shiter.The water going into the Reservoir from the upper WB is what has caused the sediment issues in the reservoir and below the Dam (where we fish). Don't think for a minute the Delaware county soil and conservation group paid for the bill.

    Their (DEP) concerned about the water quality since it's used for drinking water for NYC.I believe the new FERC Licensing agreement is up this year and the water quality is part of the process for approval.

    There is always a back story to everything when it comes to the Government.


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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by JOE.T View Post
    That is NY for you -Wasteful spending.I'm sure the DEP was behind the project because they know the quality of the water in the Cannonsville is in the shiter.The water going into the Reservoir from the upper WB is what has caused the sediment issues in the reservoir and below the Dam (where we fish). Don't think for a minute the Delaware county soil and conservation group paid for the bill.

    Their (DEP) concerned about the water quality since it's used for drinking water for NYC.I believe the new FERC Licensing agreement is up this year and the water quality is part of the process for approval.

    There is always a back story to everything when it comes to the Government.


    Keep it tight.
    You are absolutely correct; this is 100% NYC dollars. The city gets incredible savings in not having to filter their water by doing restoration above the reservoirs, especially above Cannonsville which has a ton of agriculture and cow farms causing water quality issues downstream into the reservoir. But they could do ten times more if they used qualified design and build river restoration firms like mine over engineering firms and local contractors, most of whom only dabble in river restoration. I'm already making plans to break into this market to begin looking at the work being done so I can properly identify all related costs and hopefully bid on some future projects.

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    I'm already making plans to break into this market to begin looking at the work being done so I can properly identify all related costs and hopefully bid on some future projects.
    Hey, I know the head guy if ya need me to put in a good word.
    Well, I was at his house once...
    I'm KINDA acquainted with him...
    Um, I went to college with his niece...
    I DID work with his wife.

    You let me know...

    AND up here we call 'em DAIRY farms NOT "cow farms"...
    You put THAT into your proposal and it's the kiss of death.
    Into the septic tank it goes...


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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Hey, I know the head guy if ya need me to put in a good word.
    Well, I was at his house once...
    I'm KINDA acquainted with him...
    Um, I went to college with his niece...
    I DID work with his wife.

    You let me know...

    AND up here we call 'em DAIRY farms NOT "cow farms"...
    You put THAT into your proposal and it's the kiss of death.
    Into the septic tank it goes...

    When I know streams have cows wading in them but don't know if dairy or beef, I just call them "cow farms"

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    When I know streams have cows wading in them but don't know if dairy or beef, I just call them "cow farms"
    Well, let's compromise. You KNOW, I'm just trying to be helpful...

    Instead of "cow", use the word cattle. Because you never know if those animals wading in those streams are cows, heifers, bulls or steers.

    AND "operation" is a nice substitute for "farm"' because some like to think of themselves as operating a ranch instead of a farm.

    Just sayin'

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    A cow by any other name is still just a cow. A bull is a male cow, a heifer is a young cow, a steer is a castrated bull cow. Call 'em cows.

    And the East has farms and the West has ranches. Funny how that works in spite of the size of the ranch/farm. East of the Rockies are farms and west are ranches.

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    A cow by any other name is still just a cow. A bull is a male cow, a heifer is a young cow, a steer is a castrated bull cow. Call 'em cows.

    And the East has farms and the West has ranches. Funny how that works in spite of the size of the ranch/farm. East of the Rockies are farms and west are ranches.
    Ranch is a dressing that "cows" like to put on their carrot sticks when they go on a diet.......
    too judgmental?????

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    A cow by any other name is still just a cow. A bull is a male cow, a heifer is a young cow, a steer is a castrated bull cow. Call 'em cows.

    And the East has farms and the West has ranches. Funny how that works in spite of the size of the ranch/farm. East of the Rockies are farms and west are ranches.
    Hey if you're gonna play in upstate NY:
    Cows
    A cow is a full grown female animal. To be considered a cow, your animal needs to be at least a year old and have given birth to a calf. Calves are babies. Cows are generally fairly docile and used for milk production, meat and breeding.
    Bulls
    A bull is a mature male who has never been castrated and is capable of breeding, which is their primary use in a cattle operation. Bulls can be aggressive and are capable of causing injury to any animals or humans they view as a threat.
    Heifer
    A heifer is the term used to describe a young female cow, who has not had a calf. Heifers can be bred, used for milk production or sold for meat.
    Steer
    A steer is a bull who has been castrated, meaning his testicles have been surgically removed. Typically steers are more docile to handle than bulls. Steers are most often used for meat production.

    You say " bull cow" to a CATTLE OPERATION owner up here... Jeepers, he'll send the city slicker packin'.
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    Out here, farms generally refer to operations that primarily grow some sort of plant. Ranches refer to operations whose emphasis is livestock.
    "Dairy farms" around here USUALLY do both.

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    Re: Soil and Water Advocate --- Delaware County

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Hey if you're gonna play in upstate NY:
    Cows
    A cow is a full grown female animal. To be considered a cow, your animal needs to be at least a year old and have given birth to a calf. Calves are babies. Cows are generally fairly docile and used for milk production, meat and breeding.
    Bulls
    A bull is a mature male who has never been castrated and is capable of breeding, which is their primary use in a cattle operation. Bulls can be aggressive and are capable of causing injury to any animals or humans they view as a threat.
    Heifer
    A heifer is the term used to describe a young female cow, who has not had a calf. Heifers can be bred, used for milk production or sold for meat.
    Steer
    A steer is a bull who has been castrated, meaning his testicles have been surgically removed. Typically steers are more docile to handle than bulls. Steers are most often used for meat production.

    You say " bull cow" to a CATTLE OPERATION owner up here... Jeepers, he'll send the city slicker packin'.
    AND
    Out here, farms generally refer to operations that primarily grow some sort of plant. Ranches refer to operations whose emphasis is livestock.
    "Dairy farms" around here USUALLY do both.
    Here's all you ever need to know about "cows". They are delicious. I'm partial to the T-Bone myself, but even LU will admit that ground cow served at his McDonald's is a tasty treat!

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