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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

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    Cannonsville will spill - so will Pepacton.

    we have 85%+ currently at Cannonsville and 2 to 3 inches of rain between now and April (three months) would bring it up to 100%+ (see NYC DEP map) even without snowpack.

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    Is that assuming NYC folks use NOTHING between now and April?

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

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    Is that assuming NYC folks use NOTHING between now and April?
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    Good morning.

    What made you jump to that conclusion?

    Please refer to NYC DEP charts with totals and releases from yesterday.

    Croton and Rondout reservoirs are now over 95%.

    Delaware watershed reservoirs are over 80+%.Click image for larger version. 

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    Tight lines.
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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
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    Good morning.

    What made you jump to that conclusion?

    Please refer to NYC DEP charts with totals and releases from yesterday.

    Croton and Rondout reservoirs are now over 95%.

    Delaware watershed reservoirs are over 80+%.Click image for larger version. 

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    Tight lines.
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    That wasn't a conclusion, that was a question......a serious one at that.


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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

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    That wasn't a conclusion, that was a question......a serious one at that.
    Jeez... it's like I don't even have to post anymore...

    HEY, wait just a minute...

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Matt Grobert View Post
    That wasn't a conclusion, that was a question......a serious one at that.
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    Good morning Matt.

    To date, NYC currently has more than their historical total volume in their reservoirs for mid January eventhough there is very little snowpack up here.

    The winter releases have continued.

    Their charts were posted.

    Take a look. Data at:

    Current Reservoir Levels

    I don't think that NYC has budged from their position of having Cannonsville and Pepacton full by June 1 of each year.

    However, this year is far different than 2015 where Cannonsville was down to 55% by early April which then went to 85% in a matter of weeks after last years thaw from a severe winter with a lot of ice on the rivers and reservoirs.

    As I said, barring a winter / early spring, drought in the Catskills for the next ten weeks - snow and / or rain, the reservoirs will likely spill this spring since they are over 80% right now.

    As far as having enough water to satisfy their needs, they couldn't have been happier with the snow that they received in Westchester / Putnam this past week.

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

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    Cannonsville will spill - so will Pepacton.

    Eventhough the Jonas missed the Catskills and watershed (see snowcover map -- Sullivan and Delaware Counties received less than an inch) we have 85%+ currently at Cannonsville and 2 to 3 inches of rain between now and April (three months) would bring it up to 100%+ (see NYC DEP map) even without snowpack.

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    Well, with not 2-3 inches of rain, but over 4 and a half inches between Feb. and Mar. the reservoirs are SURE to spill. AND given these warm temperatures predicted for the next few weeks to melt all the accumulated snow...
    Wait a sec... all that snow fell as rain throughout the winter and was so wonderful in putting the reservoirs in such great shape...

    I guess they should be spilling yesterday...


    There are a few weeks left before April 1; I suppose anything could happen...
    I'm betting the reservoirs go DOWN before they go up...

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Well, with not 2-3 inches of rain, but over 4 and a half inches between Feb. and Mar. the reservoirs are SURE to spill. AND given these warm temperatures predicted for the next few weeks to melt all the accumulated snow...
    Wait a sec... all that snow fell as rain throughout the winter and was so wonderful in putting the reservoirs in such great shape...

    I guess they should be spilling yesterday...


    There are a few weeks left before April 1; I suppose anything could happen...
    I'm betting the reservoirs go DOWN before they go up...
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    FFMP charts are provided for you.

    As you can see, NYC DEP has been releasing a constant 1,500cfs out of Cannonsville for the past month.

    Prior to FFMP, they did not.

    I believe that this is to create a 10% "void" so, yes, we had near four inches of rainfall in February in the Catskills but do to the fact that Cannonsville was over 95%, {L1-a Zone - See Graph} NYC DEP began dumping for the past month.

    Without the steady 1,500 dump, Cannonsville would've spilled since it registered close to 98% two weeks ago.

    Tight lines.
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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
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    FFMP charts are provided for you.

    As you can see, NYC DEP has been releasing a constant 1,500cfs out of Cannonsville for the past month.

    Prior to FFMP, they did not.

    I believe that this is to create a 10% "void" so, yes, we had near four inches of rainfall in February in the Catskills but do to the fact that Cannonsville was over 95%, {L1-a Zone - See Graph} NYC DEP began dumping for the past month.

    Without the steady 1,500 dump, Cannonsville would've spilled since it registered close to 98% two weeks ago.

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    Oh.
    So when you posted that the reservoirs would spill before April 1 you had forgotten about the 1500cfs release when Cannonsville approached full, during April.
    Got it.
    Or are you sayin' that technically they are "spilling"?

    So are they gonna spill in MAY?

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Oh.
    So when you posted that the reservoirs would spill before April 1 you had forgotten about the 1500cfs release when Cannonsville approached full, during April.
    Got it.
    Or are you sayin' that technically they are "spilling"?

    So are they gonna spill in MAY?
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    Hi John.

    From FFMP:

    L1-b March through April - i.e., Cannonsville storage at 90 to 100% (which is where we are now).


    Release:

    400cfs {no FAW} to 700cfs {100mgd FAW} release at Cannonsville depending on FAW


    200cfs {no FAW} to 475cfs {100mgd FAW} after May 1st.

    Releasing a lot of water (1,500cf) when they should be conserving it.
    Reason? They want to create a "void" eventhough we haven't had any snowpack for the whole winter!


    Holding back water when they should be releasing it except, of course, when they f*** up and
    have to release 1,500cfs in July. Right. Like last summer.
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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Hi All,

    So much for spilling before April 1st.

    John was correct, the reservoirs have gone down since early March.

    NYC probably regretting agreeing to the aggressive spill mitigation program through the winter.

    I hate that all the nice cold, clear winter storage is released for spill mitigation.

    Anyone going to Roscoe this weekend for the festivities? May see you there.

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

    Quote Originally Posted by Big_Spinner View Post
    Hi All,

    NYC probably regretting agreeing to the aggressive spill mitigation program through the winter.

    I hate that all the nice cold, clear winter storage is released for spill mitigation.

    Jim
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    Hello Jim.

    Was that part of the FFMP plan to release 1,500cfs from Cannonsville throughout February and most of March eventhough there was no snowpack thus no risk of flooding?

    I can understand a release of that amount IF there was snowpack, but The Plan doesn't take into consideration NO snowpack such as we experienced this past winter.

    That was water which could have been used later in the year as opposed to pissing it away.

    Currently, they've dropped Cannonsville to under 200cfs and the storage is 91.6%.

    We had better hope for some decent rain this spring. If not, you'll have 30 boats fishing the Main Stem in a few weeks.

    Also - I read FUDR statement to be presented this coming Tuesday at PPL.

    They want a 600cfs cap from water releases from Cannonsville and increased releases from Pepacton and Neversink?

    I would assume that is to appease their membership on the East Branch from Downsville down to Harvard / Shinhopple since after the Beaverkill dumps into the EB during July and August - that too is warm water.

    Not sure Thom Murphy from NYC DEP will go along with that one - especially since that is better water for drinking.

    See you on Tuesday.

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    Re: 2016 Spring reservoir levels

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    I can understand a release of that amount IF there was snowpack, but The Plan doesn't take into consideration NO snowpack such as we experienced this past winter.

    That was water which could have been used later in the year as opposed to pissing it away.

    Currently, they've dropped Cannonsville to under 200cfs and the storage is 91.6%.

    TR
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