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    Conservation and water rights

    The Upper Delaware economy is getting killed this spring.

    Its a ghost town.

    Let me distill the issue, as simply as possible.

    New York City needs water.

    To drink.

    If they dont have that drinking water, they're in deep shit.

    We all get that.

    But here's the sad truth.

    Life is not satisfying, and the needs of a man are not met by a glassful of water.

    How sad it is when we've allowed this city to grow, to the point where its need for drinking water leaves none for our fishery.

    None for nature.

    That is what's sad.

    We take, take, take from the earth's abundance, until it has nothing left to give.

    The insights, art, literature and painting of anglers, birdwatchers and outdoorsmen have no value, if there is no water to drink.

    Of course not!

    But to live without any natural world left.

    You're getting to see the world we are leaving our kids.

    To increase worker productivity, ya know whats effective??

    40 second microbreaks, where workers stare at digital images of the natural world.

    That's gone.

    Just looking at nature can help your brain work better, study finds - The Washington Post

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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Eventually we will have this Beetle....
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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Clean drinking water will always be the only limiting factor to human growth on this planet. In time, more and more will come to grips with that fact and realize that the best water is water filtered by natural means. That will lead to better management of our water resources over time. But those battles won't come easy to say the least.

    It has been written and said many times that the wars of the future will be fought over water and not over nukes, food, or most anything else. Control the water and you control the power.

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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    Clean drinking water will always be the only limiting factor to human growth on this planet. In time, more and more will come to grips with that fact and realize that the best water is water filtered by natural means. That will lead to better management of our water resources over time. But those battles won't come easy to say the least.

    It has been written and said many times that the wars of the future will be fought over water and not over nukes, food, or most anything else. Control the water and you control the power.
    Who "owns" the water in the sky?
    Who "owns" the water when it hits the ground?
    Who "owns" the water under the ground?

    They aren't easy answers...

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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Who "owns" the water in the sky?
    Who "owns" the water when it hits the ground?
    Who "owns" the water under the ground?

    They aren't easy answers...
    The public.

    Easy.


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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    The public.

    Easy.
    Who is the public?

    John
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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Who is the public?
    In the end, whomever has the most and biggest guns, I guess. I'm still accumulating, but I like my early odds

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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Who is the public?
    Thats a political question.

    I am not gonna get hung up on questions like this, as if they need to be answered now - before vigorous political debate where everyone has a chance to be heard, within the context of existing democratic institutions and traditions.

    These are complex questions of jurisdiction, you know it well, and the body of procedural caselaw that determines questions of jurisdiction would apply here, without me needing to explain or justify it here.


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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    Thats a political question.

    I am not gonna get hung up on questions like this, as if they need to be answered now - before vigorous political debate where everyone has a chance to be heard, within the context of existing democratic institutions and traditions.

    These are complex questions of jurisdiction, you know it well, and the body of procedural caselaw that determines questions of jurisdiction would apply here, without me needing to explain or justify it here.
    Oh...

    So it's not easy....

    John
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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Oh...

    So it's not easy....
    Ok.

    The public owns the water. That is settled.

    So who is the public, you ask?

    Here's an analogous question.

    Who can vote in the 2016 presidential election?

    Just whites?

    Just men?

    Just property owners?

    Just Americans?

    Just those without a criminal record?

    Complicated perhaps, for you.

    Or for me, if I had to answer it myself, without help, right now.

    But simple to address over time, and to get it right, or close to right, by evolving and changing as necessary.

    As a community.


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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Its a double edged sword. Without NYC need for water there would be no tail water fishery to begin with. Like I said before, Appreciation turns into expectation, then entitlement. Just look at the attitudes on some of the threads on here. Phase 1 Appreciation, wow this has created a great cold water fishery. Phase 2 Expection, where's my cold water? Phase 3 Entitlement, I demand cold water for my business and my fishing. we should sue!

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    Re: Conservation and water rights

    Quote Originally Posted by WBDluver View Post
    Its a double edged sword. Without NYC need for water there would be no tail water fishery to begin with. Like I said before, Appreciation turns into expectation, then entitlement. Just look at the attitudes on some of the threads on here. Phase 1 Appreciation, wow this has created a great cold water fishery. Phase 2 Expection, where's my cold water? Phase 3 Entitlement, I demand cold water for my business and my fishing. we should sue!
    I like this. But it is wrong.

    The Catskills had a world class brook trout fishery that was destroyed irretrievably by the reservoir system.

    It is our right to limit capitalism, as it threatens to destroy everything unless we put on the brakes.


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