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Good morning.
Jim shouldn't have any trouble finding a place for his webinar or video presentation.
Currently there are plenty of commercial vacancies in Hancock.
We should know. Both Jim and I are realtors.
By the way, here are the two videos:
Upper Delaware Council
Jim Serio / Peter Kolesar Presentation of the FFMP
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=w9DDXWjOSyI
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The Upper Delaware Council's monthly June 2013 meeting, which included a presentation and question and answers from Thomas Murphy, P.E. of the New York City Department of Enviromental Protection, can be viewed as a video and accessed at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYVUNqzk754
Please note that this was the first time in the UDC's history of twenty -five years that NYC DEP attended as a guest.
Topics include:
The New York City Reservoirs (i.e. Cannonsville / WB Del and Pepacton / EB Del)
The Upper Delaware River System
Cold water release programs
FFMP
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Re: Delaware River FFMP/OST: the good, the bad .....
Hi All,
Just wondered if anyone had a chance to check out the excel file I attached above.
I want to see if it makes sense to anyone and see if there are questions.
Jim
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Tony
You'll be there with Jim and I ,Right ?
Anyone ?
Bueller?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KS6f1MKpLGM
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Re: Delaware River FFMP/OST: the good, the bad .....
Hi Tony,
I think what you mean to ask, "why is the release so low when we have a nearly full reservoir?"
Don't want to put words in your mouth, but let me know if that is it.
The answer is that NYC does need to manage for water supply. They are overly conservative in their estimates and management.
Flows are low because it is a dry year and NYC wants to keep as close to full as they can, if the dry period continues.
The excel spreadsheet I sent out before I think illustrates the two ways that NYC can slant this to their benefit without anyone asking why?? Could you follow the spreadsheet?
NYC routinely overestimates their diversion in the calculation and this reduces the "available water" for release to the river.
As conditions change, NYC does not change the summary for weeks at a time, thus delaying what may be entry into a more robust table.
For your other question, the answer is yes, I helped to design the framework of the FFMP tables. The tables were populated in the current version of FFMP/OST from the "White Paper" that was a joint venture between NYS DEC and PA Fish and Boat.
Testing of the model showed that after some revisions we would operate in table F or G about 70-70% of the time. While one could then say, well this must be one of the times we are in the other 25-30%, but I do not think the answer is that simple. It is my belief that NYC DEP has modified the rules such that we are not in the higher tables as often. This is difficult to test, so I still come back to more transparency from NYC DEP.
Let me know if all of this has helped to answer your question.
jim
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Jim, I dont blame NYC for their conservatism.
I just wonder if this event, which doesnt seem particularly extreme to me, doesnt lead to the conclusion that NYC shouldnt seek to lessen it dependency on a source that has it in a state of austerity, when the reservoirs are at 98 percent.
Are there any plans for alternative sources, besides the Croton coming back online?
Again, I dont blame NYC for its stinginess, if 98 percent truly isnt enough for the city to be secure with its water supply.
But I'm shakin my head...
Because this is a seasonal economy out there, and some folks could lose half the season's worth of work from this, which seems pretty extreme considering the conditions are not extraordinary as not to expect this again... and again.
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Yeah, just to add to the chorus... I haven't known Jim as long as JC or FF, but there are some guys who you meet and you know right off the bat that they have integrity. I'm probably not one of those people. But Jim is.
Whether or not you are in support of the work he's done on behalf of the fishery (I am, but everybody has to make up their own mind) you can't question his work ethic or his intentions. The ad hominem attacks just come across as childish. Especially when we all agree about the objective, and much of the dispute revolves around highly technical differences in how we think it should be achieved.
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