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    Sign the petition

    And demand that NYC be reasonable.

    San Diego is going online NEXT year with a desalination plant.

    The technology is there. Cost effective actually, from Lockheed Martin. Cost effective desalination is available.

    There are alternatives for NYC to get its water, and stop living in fear when the reservoirs are over 98% full like they are now.

    A couple of releases to get through this dry spell, thats all we are asking.

    And demand NYC come up with alternatives, that are technologically feasible and practical, if it is going to act as though a serious drought is imminent at all times - while the reservoirs are 98 percent full.

    And kill jobs in upstate New York.

    Sign please.

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    Re: Sign the petition

    Wait are you saying deblasio doesn't care about the fish
    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    And demand that NYC be reasonable.

    San Diego is going online NEXT year with a desalination plant.

    The technology is there. Cost effective actually, from Lockheed Martin. Cost effective desalination is available.

    There are alternatives for NYC to get its water, and stop living in fear when the reservoirs are over 98% full like they are now.

    A couple of releases to get through this dry spell, thats all we are asking.

    And demand NYC come up with alternatives, that are technologically feasible and practical, if it is going to act as though a serious drought is imminent at all times - while the reservoirs are 98 percent full.

    And kill jobs in upstate New York.

    Sign please.

    Petition Save The Delaware River System


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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Wait are you saying deblasio doesn't care about the fish
    No, I am saying that NYC has alternative sources of potable water that would allow for releases when the reservoirs are 98 percent full, as they are today, and would save jobs upstate by doing so.

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    Re: Sign the petition

    What are the other sources in place?

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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by WBDluver View Post
    What are the other sources in place?
    Tom, if New York City is going to act like a drought is imminent, when the reservoirs are 98 percent full, we need to ask whether it isnt reasonable to demand that they build desalination plants, like they're doing in San Diego today. Their plant will be online in 2016.

    It doesn't take long to build. Lockheed Martin says that it has developed cost effective desalination technology, and to me, it makes sense to put pressure on NYC to invest in innovation and technology, especially if it saves jobs upstate.

    98 percent full.

    And they're acting like its a California drought..

    So why not prepare for it if we're gonna cause folks upstate - who actually work and arent looking to sign a fracking lease - to lose their livelihoods?


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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    Tom, if New York City is going to act like a drought is imminent, when the reservoirs are 98 percent full, we need to ask whether it isnt reasonable to demand that they build desalination plants, like they're doing in San Diego today. Their plant will be online in 2016.

    It doesn't take long to build. Lockheed Martin says that it has developed cost effective desalination technology, and to me, it makes sense to put pressure on NYC to invest in innovation and technology, especially if it saves jobs upstate.

    98 percent full.

    And they're acting like its a California drought..

    So why not prepare for it if we're gonna cause folks upstate - who actually work and arent looking to sign a fracking lease - to lose their livelihoods?
    Yes, great plan. They will have a plant that burns fracked gas and oil to power those desalination plants, just like the model held up to us in San Diego...

    Encina Power Station (EPS) is a large natural gas and oil-fueled electricity generating plant located in Carlsbad, California, in San Diego County.

    NYC could get the fuel from their own property even...

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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Yes, great plan. They will have a plant that burns fracked gas and oil to power those desalination plants, just like the model held up to us in San Diego...

    Encina Power Station (EPS) is a large natural gas and oil-fueled electricity generating plant located in Carlsbad, California, in San Diego County.

    NYC could get the fuel from their own property even...
    So you should be all for it.

    Did you sign, FF?

    (To be clear, the reverse osmosis technology from Lockheed does use methane gas for its filters - which you are objecting to - but at a fraction of the San Diego plant's costs, which was built by an Israeli company.. Its feasible.)


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    Re: Sign the petition

    But John you are clearly trying to deflect the point. You are against Fracking unless it means you can have more cold water for your hobby.. That about sums it up doesn't it.


    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    So you should be all for it.

    Did you sign, FF?

    (To be clear, the reverse osmosis technology from Lockheed does use methane gas for its filters - which you are objecting to - but at a fraction of the San Diego plant's costs, which was built by an Israeli company.. Its feasible.)


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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    But John you are clearly trying to deflect the point. You are against Fracking unless it means you can have more cold water for your hobby.. That about sums it up doesn't it.
    Mac, stop.

    Seriously dude, you gotta stop.

    I want to see people who are hard working, and depend upon the river, back to work.

    Ok?

    Can you accept that?

    I have fished the D once this year. I am busy, and the conditions have absolutely no effect upon my fishing schedule.

    As to substance, let me be clear.

    First, I am not absolutely against fracking.

    Second, I found information about desalination yesterday from a google search.

    If you want to criticize me, rest your critique on that.

    I dont understand the costs and benefits of desalination.

    OK?

    I have no idea what the costs are.

    Lockheed Martin says it can do it for cheap.

    Let's research what it means together, ok?

    Have fun with that.


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    Re: Sign the petition

    Actually this is not really that new. I had a neighbor that worked for a company called ARANCO and put up these plants in the middle east. It was back in the Regan Era. Its just new to the US which has a mentallity that resources have an ulimited supply and will never run out.

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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by WBDluver View Post
    Actually this is not really that new. I had a neighbor that worked for a company called ARANCO and put up these plants in the middle east. It was back in the Regan Era. Its just new to the US which has a mentallity that resources have an ulimited supply and will never run out.
    The desalination technology from Lockheed Martin is exciting stuff.

    I bring it up because there appear to be alternatives available now, that are cost effective, that would reduce NYC's dependence on water from the Catskills.

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    Re: Sign the petition

    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    Tom, if New York City is going to act like a drought is imminent, when the reservoirs are 98 percent full, we need to ask whether it isnt reasonable to demand that they build desalination plants, like they're doing in San Diego today. Their plant will be online in 2016.

    It doesn't take long to build. Lockheed Martin says that it has developed cost effective desalination technology, and to me, it makes sense to put pressure on NYC to invest in innovation and technology, especially if it saves jobs upstate.

    98 percent full.

    And they're acting like its a California drought..

    So why not prepare for it if we're gonna cause folks upstate - who actually work and arent looking to sign a fracking lease - to lose their livelihoods?
    I agree but there is a lot more to it. 98% full sounds like a lot but its not. Its like saying i may be losing my job but my bank account has money in it so why not spend on entertainment? Not sound thinking right? Well it not sound to say our reservoirs our 98% full so lets let water run down the river for fisherman and if we have a problem we will worry about it then. And although the plants can be built rather quickly the government red tape will take longer to pass than the actual construction. But i agree, they should start but it will take years to complete

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