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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Big business works like the Freenge Rules of Acquisition, profit over all. The only way a thing like this doesn't get done is if the career politicians fear for their jobs because of mass unrest by their constituents, that threaten to throw them out for their approval of such a project. Otherwise the pols access is gained through big money and the deal gets the ok. But that's capitalism, for better or for worse.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by FIN-ITE 34 View Post
    Big business works like the Freenge Rules of Acquisition, profit over all. The only way a thing like this doesn't get done is if the career politicians fear for their jobs because of mass unrest by their constituents, that threaten to throw them out for their approval of such a project. Otherwise the pols access is gained through big money and the deal gets the ok. But that's capitalism, for better or for worse.
    its all semantics.

    I dont consider big oil and big coal to be capitalist.

    they innovate nothing.

    they create nothing.

    they destroy environments.

    Coal is not innovated.

    So if innovation is capitalism, then coal mining and wrecking rivers to do it aint capitalism.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    its all semantics.

    I dont consider big oil and big coal to be capitalist.

    they innovate nothing.

    they create nothing.

    they destroy environments.

    Coal is not innovated.

    So if innovation is capitalism, then coal mining and wrecking rivers to do it aint capitalism.
    Sorry Beetle. I looked at a slew of definitions of capitalism and not one used the word "innovation", not even in the synonyms. However the word "profit" shows up quite a few times.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by FIN-ITE 34 View Post
    Sorry Beetle. I looked at a slew of definitions of capitalism and not one used the word "innovation", not even in the synonyms. However the word "profit" shows up quite a few times.
    Fair enough.

    The problem is capitalism, with this one caveat...

    Innovators need to be allowed to innovate, as in technology.

    These ass clowns who innovate nothing and destroy a river for 25 years should be tightly regulated.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Wait this wasn't about capitalism. You are confused.
    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    Fair enough.

    The problem is capitalism, with this one caveat...

    Innovators need to be allowed to innovate, as in technology.

    These ass clowns who innovate nothing and destroy a river for 25 years should be tightly regulated.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    If they let this mine happen, it sets a precedent for that whole area, with a potential for more mines and more destruction of wild salmon habitat.

    Get your facts first, then you can distort them as you please.
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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by CTobias View Post
    If they let this mine happen, it sets a precedent for that whole area, with a potential for more mines and more destruction of wild salmon habitat.
    Talk to Mac.

    He is the only pro capitalist, drill baby drill, Sarah Palin wannabe here.

    Write an article for GB Mag, Tobias. Http://goldenbeetle.net.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Wait are you suggesting something like this wouldn't happen in say China.
    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    Talk to Mac.

    He is the only pro capitalist, drill baby drill, Sarah Palin wannabe here.

    Write an article for GB Mag, Tobias. Http://goldenbeetle.net.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Wait are you suggesting something like this wouldn't happen in say China.
    Read the new issue of GB Magazine.

    Current Issue - GB Magazine.


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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    I donít believe this a Capitalism problem. This is bureaucratic lobbing problem. If the EPA is so against further devolvement of fossil fuel resources, this should be a non issue. Just take NY State and the franking ban. Where is the difference? It lies with private land owners versus big money. The land ownersí do not have the monetary resources to maintain a conducive argument with the powers that be (campaign contributions). This is the exact reason Capitalism is not work in the way that it should be. Both sides of the isle talk a good game but in the back room they are all giggles and hugs with each other. Donít be naÔve and think China does not have their hand in this in some way. They need the coal to fuel their economic engine. I had to dig deep on both Greenpeace and The Sierra clubs websites to find anything on this. You would think this would be on page one of both sites. It just shows that they are both just part of the Machine. What I found the most appalling; there is not one mention on TUís web site on this issue.

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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfly View Post
    I donít believe this a Capitalism problem. This is bureaucratic lobbing problem. If the EPA is so against further devolvement of fossil fuel resources, this should be a non issue. Just take NY State and the franking ban. Where is the difference? It lies with private land owners versus big money. The land ownersí do not have the monetary resources to maintain a conducive argument with the powers that be (campaign contributions). This is the exact reason Capitalism is not work in the way that it should be. Both sides of the isle talk a good game but in the back room they are all giggles and hugs with each other. Donít be naÔve and think China does not have their hand in this in some way. They need the coal to fuel their economic engine. I had to dig deep on both Greenpeace and The Sierra clubs websites to find anything on this. You would think this would be on page one of both sites. It just shows that they are both just part of the Machine. What I found the most appalling; there is not one mention on TUís web site on this issue.
    We will cover it at GB Mag.

    Our new issue is out!

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    Re: Saving the Chuitna River

    Quote Originally Posted by golden beetle View Post
    Read the new issue of GB Magazine.

    Current Issue - GB Magazine.
    It's no help

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