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    NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    A little outdated but gives an overview.
    New York's Role in the Delaware River Basin Commission (DRBC) - NYS Dept. of Environmental Conservation

    The current FFMP which expires on May 31.
    http://water.usgs.gov/osw/odrm/docum..._Agreement.pdf

    Hopefully, NYDEP will recognize the Croton System coming back online and add that water to the overall calculation.

    Right now, the reservoirs are low for this time of year with not much of a snowpack, so we need spring rains, which never materialized the last 2 years. All this and they were dumping 2000 cfs out of Cannonsville all winter and has created an artificial drought.

    They have the water to satisfy all users including the downbasin states, Croton is coming back on line which will add water to the system, new zoning laws have helped with flooding concerns downstream, BASED ON A 500 YEAR FLOOD, so I personally dont see the need for 20% voids. We had numerous dangerous high temp situations last season and NYDEP remained steadfast in refusing to release more water to help the situation except maybe once or twice and as usual, THEY ENDED THE WATER YEAR WITH A SURPLUS OF UNUSED WATER ! They need to throw their OST tool into the East River !!

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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by brachycentrus View Post
    new zoning laws have helped with flooding concerns downstream,
    Can you give an example of this?
    Thanks.

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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Can you give an example of this?
    Thanks.
    Go over to East Branch and ask the residents how they feel ?
    Cant sell their houses, have to rebuild the dyke which no longer meets FEMA standards. Dont know about down on the MS but you dont really care, you just want to divert and start shit because you are just a damn stinky ass llama farmer who never contributes shit to this board except to start trouble.


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    here comes the fine print followed by a bunch of rhetorical questions and implied jokes that no one thinks are funny.


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by brachycentrus View Post
    Go over to East Branch and ask the residents how they feel ?
    Cant sell their houses, have to rebuild the dyke which no longer meets FEMA standards. Dont know about down on the MS but you dont really care, you just want to divert and start shit because you are just a damn stinky ass llama farmer who never contributes shit to this board except to start trouble.
    Asking a question is "starting trouble"?
    I just want to "divert"?

    Those questions aren't rhetorical.... wait maybe they are...
    Now that I've satisfied FlyI4.... wait... NOW I'm done...

    All I asked was for you, brachy, to explain what you meant by the "new zoning laws" you were referencing. And you resort to insults?

    I'll try to keep it civil...
    Who can't sell their houses in East Branch(and why)?
    What dike has to be rebuilt? and by who?

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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by Future Fanatic View Post
    Asking a question is "starting trouble"?
    I just want to "divert"?

    Those questions aren't rhetorical.... wait maybe they are...
    Now that I've satisfied FlyI4.... wait... NOW I'm done...

    All I asked was for you, brachy, to explain what you meant by the "new zoning laws" you were referencing. And you resort to insults?

    I'll try to keep it civil...
    Who can't sell their houses in East Branch(and why)?
    What dike has to be rebuilt? and by who?
    Guess you arent as dialed in as you like to portary yourself. Go over to the EB Firehouse and you will get all your answers. Might be a stretch for you as you dont like to go anywhere outside of Norboard.
    Seriously John, what is it with you. If it's not gas rights, it's some other arcane thing that you like to start shit about. Why havent you ever contributed anything of substance to this board ? I use to post here years ago and stopped because of shit posted like the stuff you do. Maybe I dont have the patience that you do, what do you feed those LLamas twice a day and have nothing else to do except start stuff.
    As to your original question, FEMA ruled post flood that the existing dyke is substandard. Homeowners insurance cannot be bought, maybe very expensive flood insurance, but probably above the means of the average EB homeowners income level. Who would but a home overthere if you couldnt offer protection.
    Get out of Norboard and look around. All new homes being built are on far setbacks or piers. Some diehards are jacking their houses up, this is down on the MS. Codes on new builds have been changed to accomodate a once in 500 yr event.


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    brachycentrus for President, King, Emperor, and whatever else he wants!


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by brachycentrus View Post
    As to your original question, FEMA ruled post flood that the existing dyke is substandard. Homeowners insurance cannot be bought, maybe very expensive flood insurance, but probably above the means of the average EB homeowners income level. Who would but a home overthere if you couldnt offer protection.
    Get out of Norboard and look around. All new homes being built are on far setbacks or piers. Some diehards are jacking their houses up, this is down on the MS. Codes on new builds have been changed to accomodate a once in 500 yr event.
    Look at how easy that was...

    But you HAD to add even MORE insults... Who ACTS like that?

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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Maybe has something to do with the fact that I dont like you !

    Go and look at your past threads. 5 pages related to where certain guides pay their taxes. As far as I'm concerned and my Tax Accontant, it's none of your business where or how my taxes are paid.


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by brachycentrus View Post

    Right now, the reservoirs are low for this time of year with not much of a snowpack, so we need spring rains, which never materialized the last 2 years. All this and they were dumping 2000 cfs out of Cannonsville all winter and has created an artificial drought.
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    I remember the old days when Cannonsville use to spill in April with sawbellies. Not anymore.

    Now they piss the water away from the bottom in the winter when we need those coldwater releases in the summer (duh).

    I supposed to create a 90% void eventhough there's not much snowpack north of the reservoir right now. It's all melted.

    Maybe they're expecting a hurricane soon.

    Wind is sure howlin' today.


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
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    I remember the old days when Cannonsville use to spill in April with sawbellies. Not anymore.

    Now they piss the water away from the bottom in the winter when we need those coldwater releases in the summer (duh).

    I supposed to create a 90% void eventhough there's not much snowpack north of the reservoir right now. It's all melted.

    Maybe they're expecting a hurricane soon.

    Wind is sure howlin' today.
    Absolutely Tony, missing that big slug of protein right after spawning and the browns would be puking alewives and couldnt possibly find room for another but they were vicious and right on the bank. Havent seen that in 4 or 5 years since the flood voids were required.


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    Re: NY State Role in Reservoir Releases

    Quote Originally Posted by brachycentrus View Post
    Maybe has something to do with the fact that I dont like you !

    Go and look at your past threads. 5 pages related to where certain guides pay their taxes. As far as I'm concerned and my Tax Accontant, it's none of your business where or how my taxes are paid.
    I'm not sure I made YOUR TAXES my business.
    But I'm sure that a guy like you would certainly pay taxes on any income you made in NY TO NY. I mean it's the good people of this state that make your job on the D possible, right?

    But getting back to these voids...
    Wasn't it just a short time ago that some certain "trout habitat conservation group" was FOR voids? Well, it seems they were for voids during certain times of the year(hurricane season). Wasn't the purpose to protect residents downstream? Now of course, having voids during hurricane season made the likelihood of cold water released during fishing season more likely... Can't count on Mother nature to provide enough water for that though... SO...

    Now I understand you personally don't like voids, but does that "trout habitat conservation group" still like voids?

    And remember back when guys used to complain about anchor ice during the winter?
    I haven't heard THAT term in years... It's always something...

    Where's Big_Spinner when you need him... Hasn't he been against voids for years?

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