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    Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Come on out and help our East Jersey TU chapter with the removal of a stone weir just upstream of the Glen Gray Road bridge at the Oakland/Mahwah border off route 202.

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Size:  157 BytesI would show you pictures, but they are not uploading for some reason(?). We will be lowering this stone weir using pry bars, strong backs and a come a long if needed. In its place (actually upstream about 10 yards or so) we will be building 2 rock deflector weirs to redirect flows off the banks. Work begins at 9 am on Saturday the 10th. Parking is on county park land immediately east of the bridge over the river there and along Glen Gray Road. You can use 55 Glen Gray Road, Mahwah, NJ if using GPS. We will park just beyond that home on the county park property. If you can, please bring gloves, pry bars and double-wheeled wheel barrows. Or just come as you are and we'll put you to work. This "shoaling" of the river over the last decade or so increases, especially as you head downstream into Oakland. Oakland is strongly considering using my river restoration guru, Urbani Fisheries, to restore sections of the river throughout their nearly 5 miles lying within the Borough of Oakland and have requested a formal proposal from them just recently. This river might finally be getting the attention it deserves!

    Come help on Saturday, but please PM me if you plan to help as East Jersey TU is buying lunch and wants to have ample water for the volunteers. We can help the river in Mahwah just upstream of where Urbani Fisheries may one day be doing significant river channel restoration work to remove the shoals of larger cobble that have built up and covered much of the pool habitat from recent storm events, all of which is due to excessive development within the watershed.

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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    I'll be around if you still need volunteers - tried sending a PM but it may not have worked - the whole site is acting funny lately..

    What is the end goal of this project? I know you said to redirect the water flows away from the bank, but why? Is it a flood control project or a habitat improvement project?


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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Quote Originally Posted by Thursthouse View Post
    I'll be around if you still need volunteers - tried sending a PM but it may not have worked - the whole site is acting funny lately..

    What is the end goal of this project? I know you said to redirect the water flows away from the bank, but why? Is it a flood control project or a habitat improvement project?
    Habitat improvement. This river like so many suffers from excessive development throughout its entire length and each home or business that now gets built only adds to the flooding issues and the flashy runoff issues. So it "shoals" material in the form of downstream facing weirs. Those weirs then redirect flows towards the banks instead of scouring the thalweg (you asked). That only further widens the river and adds more sediment, covering up trout and insect habitat. It goes downhill from there. The good news is that we can reverse much of this through certain channel restoration techniques. Saturday will be a minor help with great human effort which we hole will one day lead to towns in the watershed like Oakland doing some major in-channel restoration work.

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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    At this point in the day, we are still a "go" for tomorrow. It it rains too much, we'll postpone for Sunday the 11th or Saturday the 17th. Thanks to all that have PMed me or sent me a text about helping out. Stay tuned here for more details in case flows come up too high.

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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Sorry for the late breaking news, but today's project has been POSTPONED until Sunday (11th), same bat time, same bat channel. Flows were just too high for the chapter to be comfortable with to do today's work.

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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    I've been quoting some of Brian's posts on an "Oakland" message board...
    By 8:30, neither of the "nonfishers" who had showed interest had logged in.
    I began to feel a little guilty, and decided to go there and break the news to anyone who didn't get the word.

    A couple of the EJTU guys came to do the same thing.
    Both of my recruits showed up (I also met TomPG).
    I referred to Gina, as "our next councilperson". One of the TU guys (Rich ?) took her for a guided tour, (and full indoctrination ).


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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    I've been quoting some of Brian's posts on an "Oakland" message board...
    By 8:30, neither of the "nonfishers" who had showed interest had logged in.
    I began to feel a little guilty, and decided to go there and break the news to anyone who didn't get the word.

    A couple of the EJTU guys came to do the same thing.
    Both of my recruits showed up (I also met TomPG).
    I referred to Gina, as "our next councilperson". One of the TU guys (Rich ?) took her for a guided tour, (and full indoctrination ).
    Rich is heading this project. Glad he got to give her the tour. Roy, Oakland's Riverkeeper and emergency management coordinator was also planning to help us this morning. Hopefully the flows drop by tomorrow morning.

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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    Rich is heading this project. Glad he got to give her the tour. Roy, Oakland's Riverkeeper and emergency management coordinator was also planning to help us this morning. Hopefully the flows drop by tomorrow morning.
    She's running against an incumbent, who's a TU member. He's already "indoctrinated".
    In case she wins, it would help to have her on "the side of the angels".

    As an occasional flood victim, she should be receptive to "river health", but as a nonfisher, she hadn't been indoctrinated/brainwashed.... until today.... and she didn't even need to get all wet and dirty.

    An "emergency management" vehicle showed up just as I was leaving. I didn't notice if it was Roy.

    Rich wasn't too optimistic about the flow dropping enough by tomorrow.
    He collected e-mail addresses so he could keep us updated.


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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    POSTPONED: Until Saturday, August 17th at 9 am. Flows just aren't dropping enough for the chapter to feel it will be worth it tomorrow.

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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    Rich is heading this project......
    OFF TOPIC:
    Someone who knows Rich well enough to do it without offending him...
    Should have a talk with him about email security, and the use of "BCC" when sending a mass mailing to a bunch of people who don't necessarily know each other.

    The guy who sends out the EJTU newsletter, already knows this.


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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Is there any problem using child labor?

    I just gave Rich's contact info to Gina. She's wants to ask him if she should try to recruit some Boy Scouts.


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    Re: Ramapo River rock rolling project Saturday (Aug. 10th)

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Is there any problem using child labor?

    I just gave Rich's contact info to Gina. She's wants to ask him if she should try to recruit some Boy Scouts.
    We should be covered as the chapter got an insurance rider to cover the event/project. Flows looking good for Saturday.

    Pete - I addressed the email thing as well

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