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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    They are all as divisive as each other..it is just how they go about it.....47% pay no taxes.they are free loaders........rich people are greedy and dont do their share...it the same thing in different clothes........it makes me sick...

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by lightenup View Post
    They are all as divisive as each other..it is just how they go about it.....47% pay no taxes.they are free loaders........rich people are greedy and dont do their share...it the same thing in different clothes........it makes me sick...
    47 percent are freeloaders? Two thirds pay a payroll tax and the rest are senior/veterans/disabled people. As someone else on this forum says, "get your facts straight, then distort them as you please." It would also benefit you if you refrained from watching fox news.


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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

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    47 percent are freeloaders? Two thirds pay a payroll tax and the rest are senior/veterans/disabled people. As someone else on this forum says, "get your facts straight, then distort them as you please." It would also benefit you if you refrained from watching fox news.
    Shane if you read his post without your own prejudice you would have realized that lightenup was referring to both parties being divisive. I love the comment about fox news. I guess Chris matthews, Al Sharpton, Rachel maddow, Soledad obrien, Lawrence odonnel, Andrea Mitchell, and the rest of the so called commentators on msnbc,CNN, and headline news are all objective.

    Let me say this about tbe 47%. the point has been made that roughly 48% of Americans pay no FEDERAL income tax. Yes they pay payroll tax if they are working. EVeryone pays payroll tax. This was about what funds the federal government and the point can't be stressed that all the clamor about the rich not payin their fair share when nearly half pay no federal tax is pretty freaking stupid.

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Shane if you read his post without your own prejudice you would have realized that lightenup was referring to both parties being divisive. I love the comment about fox news. I guess Chris matthews, Al Sharpton, Rachel maddow, Soledad obrien, Lawrence odonnel, Andrea Mitchell, and the rest of the so called commentators on msnbc,CNN, and headline news are all objective.

    Let me say this about tbe 47%. the point has been made that roughly 48% of Americans pay no FEDERAL income tax. Yes they pay payroll tax if they are working. EVeryone pays payroll tax. This was about what funds the federal government and the point can't be stressed that all the clamor about the rich not payin their fair share when nearly half pay no federal tax is pretty freaking stupid.
    Msnbc is just as awful. News isnt necessarily there to inform you but rather to engage you. All we have anymore is murder, weather, fear, and an agenda for the left or right. And yea, a family of 4, struggling, making 50k not paying any taxes is absurd...


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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by sh4ne87 View Post
    Msnbc is just as awful. News isnt necessarily there to inform you but rather to engage you. All we have anymore is murder, weather, fear, and an agenda for the left or right. And yea, a family of 4, struggling, making 50k not paying any taxes is absurd...
    If that same family is getting some form of gov assistance yet still manages to buy LCD tvs,iPads, iPhones, 100 dollar sneakers,and has money left over for smokes and alcohol yeah it's ridiculous. Now Im smart enough to know that this description doesn't fit every family but you are going to have a hard time explaining how almost half the country pays nothing yet it's fair for the "rich" to pay more. If entitlements are important and paying taxes is patritotic as we are told thrn surely you can pay sonethng towards the federal gov. Of course this is largely by desgin. Democrats keep the benefits flowing to the permanent underclass in return for votes in much the same way republicans provide corporate welfare to their cnstituents. BTW way to duck my last post. Next time take a breath before you engage in a discussion.

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    If that same family is getting some form of gov assistance yet still manages to buy LCD tvs,iPads, iPhones, 100 dollar sneakers,and has money left over for smokes and alcohol yeah it's ridiculous. Now Im smart enough to know that this description doesn't fit every family but you are going to have a hard time explaining how almost half the country pays nothing yet it's fair for the "rich" to pay more. If entitlements are important and paying taxes is patritotic as we are told thrn surely you can pay sonethng towards the federal gov. Of course this is largely by desgin. Democrats keep the benefits flowing to the permanent underclass in return for votes in much the same way republicans provide corporate welfare to their cnstituents. BTW way to duck my last post. Next time take a breath before you engage in a discussion.
    It is nearly impossible to calculate how much anyone pays in federal tax, although it is well documented what various wage earners pay in income tax, it is impossible to calculate what theypay the feds in other taxes like gasoline, tobacco, alcohol etc. These taxes are paid at the same rate by all users.

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    I believe there are many in this country suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The facts: 61% of people who do not pay income tax are working families. Others who do not pay are the elderly, students, and people with disabilities. Corporations are making record profits. The wealthy are getting wealthier. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich. There is something wrong with the rich paying a lower effective tax rate than those not as fortunate.


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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by sh4ne87 View Post
    47 percent are freeloaders? Two thirds pay a payroll tax and the rest are senior/veterans/disabled people. As someone else on this forum says, "get your facts straight, then distort them as you please." It would also benefit you if you refrained from watching fox news.
    I watch the weather channel....those chicks are hot!!!!!!

    I believe MACFLY said what I don't need to!!!!
    I have made it more than obvious, I do not support a party, one of their candidates, or one of their networks, be it CNN or Fox....so, to be a bit inflammatory, "get YOUR facts straight, then distort them as you please"....

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    If that same family is getting some form of gov assistance yet still manages to buy LCD tvs,iPads, iPhones, 100 dollar sneakers,and has money left over for smokes and alcohol yeah it's ridiculous. Now Im smart enough to know that this description doesn't fit every family but you are going to have a hard time explaining how almost half the country pays nothing yet it's fair for the "rich" to pay more. If entitlements are important and paying taxes is patritotic as we are told thrn surely you can pay sonethng towards the federal gov. Of course this is largely by desgin. Democrats keep the benefits flowing to the permanent underclass in return for votes in much the same way republicans provide corporate welfare to their cnstituents. BTW way to duck my last post. Next time take a breath before you engage in a discussion.

    In an earlier post you said that the victim 'narrative' didn't start with Romney. I agree. BUT, he is the first to get caught saying it out loud. Also, the narrative is NOT a democrat one. It's a republican one. You present an example of it in your response above. You put the words democrat and 'permanent underclass' in the same sentence as if this is the democrat agenda while it is YOUR view of the democrat agenda. As if democrats believe there is a permanent underclass while Romney clearly feels that way. So, in one sentence you defined a class of people and defined it as a permanent class and created the narrative. This is what the republican machine has been doing and Romney is the face. This is unamercian. Americans don't believe there is any difference between any peoples. Plain and simple.


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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Well thats a wonderful attempt at spin that falls on its face. If republicans viewed them as a permanent underclass then they would compete with the democrats to keep them that way. They clearly don't so your assertion that republicans feel that way is false. In addition there is ample evidence over many years that shows this is how democrats feel about their voting bloc. It's the dirty secret that isn't a secret at all. The whole mantra that the rich are screwing you is just the latest manifestation of that strategy and hey it's working . We now have more people on means tested welfare programs not less. This despite trillions of dollars in spending on these programs. Now why is that Streamfisher. Why are all these gov programs, state programs, and not to mention the myriad of private charitable contributions and assostancenot making a difference. Not lifting people out of poverty, not providing better living conditions, and better economic opportunity. The amount of money spent is staggering. The return abysmal.

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by fishhead View Post
    I believe there are many in this country suffering from Stockholm Syndrome. The facts: 61% of people who do not pay income tax are working families. Others who do not pay are the elderly, students, and people with disabilities. Corporations are making record profits. The wealthy are getting wealthier. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being rich. There is something wrong with the rich paying a lower effective tax rate than those not as fortunate.
    Who are the rich? Who are the wealthy? Put a definition behind it so we have some context. Let's compare effective tax rates and then let's compare what we actually pay in federal income tax. See when you generalize like this you open yourself up for all kinds of scrutiny. Your post implies that "the rich" all pay a lower tax rate. MALARKY. Show me the data that proves your statement. The last line is the kicker. You first carafe there is nothing wrong with being rich yet you follow that up by saying they should pay a higher tax rate then the less fortunate. That implies being rich happens because they were more fortunate then everyone else. I constantly here from my progressive friends how "the rich" are just lucky. They aren't any smarter, just fortunate. Well if it's that easy then we shouldn't be arguing. Go out and get more fortunate.

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    Re: Presidential Candidate Q & A on Recreational Fishing

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Well thats a wonderful attempt at spin that falls on its face. If republicans viewed them as a permanent underclass then they would compete with the democrats to keep them that way. They clearly don't so your assertion that republicans feel that way is false. In addition there is ample evidence over many years that shows this is how democrats feel about their voting bloc. It's the dirty secret that isn't a secret at all. The whole mantra that the rich are screwing you is just the latest manifestation of that strategy and hey it's working . We now have more people on means tested welfare programs not less. This despite trillions of dollars in spending on these programs. Now why is that Streamfisher. Why are all these gov programs, state programs, and not to mention the myriad of private charitable contributions and assostancenot making a difference. Not lifting people out of poverty, not providing better living conditions, and better economic opportunity. The amount of money spent is staggering. The return abysmal.
    There are many reasons to consider other than that there is a 'class' of people (again your assertion) who are substandard. For example. revolutions. I don't mean war either. The Bronze Age, the Industrial revolution, The Information Age and the digital revolution, etc.. For example, I would go as far as to say that a lot of Clinton's success economically was due to the internet and technology boom and not him. Neither candidate has talked enough about how technology has been as much of a problem to workforce as outsourcing, maybe more. Have you seen the robots building cars now? The economic model is only part of the equation. Growth models should have been projected properly so that we would have been ready for the bubble to burst. It is silly to think that anyone would have believed there would be a boom without a bust. Why did we not plan for that?

    note: I don't understand the underlined sentence. Are you saying that democrats want to keep the permanent underclass that way which would be futile since it is already permanent Again, pressing the notion that democrats believe there is an underclass? I'm sure I have both been exposed to the same history of our politics and I have never deduced that democrats believe there should be an underclass... Are there people who take advantage of rules? Yes! Both at the bottom AND the top! I don't classify them in any other way than individuals who have a propensity for gaming systems.


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