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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGBOW View Post
    Guess you dont translate well, huh old pal? Macfly, first off, why bother posting to me? Secondly, after one realizes that certain debates are never going to change the minds of certain people or get anything at all accomplished, they then become nothing more than a waste of time. Especially when its with a person who is in no position to get anything done anyway (such as yourself). Im all for a good debate, but eventually some debates become pointless arguments, like the ongoing one you like to have with me, which by the way is getting really old. And yes, Id rather do "nothing" than argue with someone like you who has nothing better to do than get into on a computer almost everytime Im on this site. Dont you have.. I dont know, ANYTHING to do to keep you more occupied? Have fun doing what you do best.. not really debating, but arguing and posting childish and false accusations. I have to go do nothing.

    I doubt you are still full of witless humor and putdowns in person, but I guess hiding behind a screen is where some of us belong. Have a good one buddy.
    I see a common theme with you but can't put my finger on it.

    thanks for stopping - bye

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by EtchaFly View Post
    I see a common theme with you but can't put my finger on it.
    Yes, Im Mr Negative when it comes to Macfly's bashing posts. Glad you could jump on in and point that out. If you actually read my first post in this thread, I was pointing out the fact that many of these threads about drilling, fracking, global warming, etc just end up getting messy with members and thats exactly what I caused to happen by simply saying that (accidently). I apologize for even posting that because of what it stirred up. I should have known better than to even open this thread so I'll leave it to those who wish to continue this wonderful "debate." Have a great time doing so.

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGBOW View Post
    Guess you dont translate well, huh old pal? Macfly, first off, why bother posting to me? Secondly, after one realizes that certain debates are never going to change the minds of certain people or get anything at all accomplished, they then become nothing more than a waste of time. Especially when its with a person who is in no position to get anything done anyway (such as yourself). Im all for a good debate, but eventually some debates become pointless arguments, like the ongoing one you like to have with me, which by the way is getting really old. And yes, Id rather do "nothing" than argue with someone like you who has nothing better to do than get into on a computer almost everytime Im on this site. Dont you have.. I dont know, ANYTHING to do to keep you more occupied? Have fun doing what you do best.. not really debating, but arguing and posting childish and false accusations. I have to go do nothing.

    I doubt you are still full of witless humor and putdowns in person, but I guess hiding behind a screen is where some of us belong. Have a good one buddy. wrong again Im actually quite a guy in person and very funny to boot. But Im sure you are not suggesting that I come out from behind the computer screen. I mean you have so many more important things to do dont you.
    Bigbow you are so full of cr@p its almost pathetic. As for putdowns you best check your own behavior before calling out someone else and hey you have been hiding behind the same screen. Debates are about affirming or re-affirming your beliefs in a subject. If you can adequately defend a position against all questions or objections than your position is sound (This assumes you can be objective in the process) and you can obtain what is called decisive awareness. Its not about being in a position to do anything about it...whatever it is. Your post seems to suggest that one only debates if they are in a position to do something about it. I find that position to be very self limiting and frankly flat wrong. If you cant get on a board and exchange some views without complaining or in fact do what you like to do which is call end of game then perhaps your position isn't that strong to begin with. As for seeking you out on this forum...HaHa..that is the funniest thing you have said so far. Have a wonderful day Bigbow

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Thanks, but EVERYTHING you "affirm" in every one of your "debate" posts is strictly from a republican point of view. That's fine with me, but don't call them debates when all the info you post is one-sided and closeminded. Im neither rep or dem, but find it pointless to bicker with someone about politics on a fly fishing forum. That's what I was telling the person who began the thread. Maybe we'd get along better if we just talked fishing on a different thread. These dumb posts are taking up space so Ill be done here. Peace

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Bigbow you are so full of cr@p its almost pathetic.
    Again, thanks for the bashing on a computer dude.

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGBOW View Post
    Thanks, but EVERYTHING you "affirm" in every one of your "debate" posts is strictly from a republican point of view. That's fine with me, but don't call them debates when all the info you post is one-sided and closeminded. Im neither rep or dem, but find it pointless to bicker with someone about politics on a fly fishing forum. That's what I was telling the person who began the thread. Maybe we'd get along better if we just talked fishing on a different thread. TPeace
    hese dumb posts are taking up space so Ill be done here.

    How about you take a moment and look through some of the discussion after you exited the conversation? Its wonderful to label me a republican but its about useful as me calling you an environmentalist wacko. Since you find it such a waste of time I recommended a couple of green energy opportunities one could avail themselves of..Like Citizenre or the zerofootprint project. The difference is that these are innovative ground up groups are providing unique solutions and not top down government mandates. So in short what I am about is not relying on the heavy hand of government to solve a problem. That didnt comport with your view so you started in with the personal attacks...not moi!! If you dont want to participate in the discussion than your entitled not to participate but why label it as useless just because you dont like it??? I have no animosity towards you..we can agree to disagree and still talk about fishing on another thread.

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGBOW View Post
    Again, thanks for the bashing on a computer dude.
    My apologies..You are not full of crap and you are not pathetic. Have a great day Bigbow

    "Angling is extremely time consuming. That's sort of the whole point." - Thomas McGuane

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Should read: the gas drilling debate is finished, meat is done!!!

    A good well with a trouble-free delivery system is more comfort than a healthy bank account... water will get you through times of no money better than money will get you through times of no water.

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Every time I see this headline I quick read it as "Gas Grilling Debate is Done." For the record, I prefer charcoal grilling. Not briquettes, natural lump charcoal.

    Now that's a debate worth having gas Vs. charcoal grilling.


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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by tompg View Post
    Every time I see this headline I quick read it as "Gas Grilling Debate is Done." For the record, I prefer charcoal grilling. Not briquettes, natural lump charcoal.

    Now that's a debate worth having gas Vs. charcoal grilling.
    Beef its whats for dinner

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Beef its whats for dinner
    Which reminds me of the anti's arguments : "WHERE'S THE BEEF!"

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    Re: Gas Drilling Debate is Done

    Well, this guy seems to think that the debate's over. But if what he says comes to pass, I bet there will be more debate...

    State ban on gas drilling unlikely | recordonline.com

    By Steve Israel
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    Posted: January 11, 2010 - 2:00 AM
    Don't look for the state to heed calls to stop or slow down gas drilling — even though the requests have come from such powerful interests as New York City, the Environmental Protection Agency and a union of Department of Environmental Conservation workers.

    In the just-ended comment period on new regulations for gas drilling in the Marcellus shale, which sits beneath Sullivan County and much of the New York City watershed, many of the approximately 12,000 responses urged the state to scrap the regulations and redo them. Critics want new rules to ban drilling in the city watershed and address such issues as pollution from the horizontal drilling method, known as "fracking," and cumulative impacts.

    But scrapping the regulations that allow drilling isn't likely to happen, says Gov. David Paterson's office.

    "We need to wait and see what the final GEIS (Generic Environmental Impact Statement) is like," said Paterson spokesman Morgan Hook. "Calls for bans or further delays are premature. Why would we scrap the work done over the past 12 months?"

    While neither the state nor the DEC would specifically address New York City's call to ban drilling in its million-acre watershed, a sliver of which sits in Sullivan, the DEC has said a ban would be illegal since about 70 percent of the land there is privately owned.

    It "would limit the mineral rights of the private property owners," DEC Commissioner Pete Grannis said in testimony before the state Assembly.

    Plus, the DEC points out that all watersheds deserve equal protection. Banning drilling in one area could a set a precedent.

    "The premise of the DEC's job is to come up with something that is protective of watersheds everywhere in the state," said DEC spokesman Yancey Roy.

    The proposed regulations don't do that, says a prominent drilling opponent, who called the rules "fatally flawed."

    "Their job is to protect the environment, and the fact that they're not is a travesty. The EPA knows it, the city knows and the DEC union knows it," said Ramsay Adams, executive director of Catskill Mountainkeeper.

    Still, those regulations are meant to satisfy Paterson's energy plan, which includes drilling.

    Some gas companies feel the rules "in certain areas go too far and place New York at a competitive disadvantage with other states," said Brad Gill, executive director of the Independent Oil and Gas Association of New York.

    Finding the middle ground between environmental protection and economic development is the state's task.

    "The goal is to listen to both sides and strike a balance," said Paterson spokesman Hook.

    sisrael@th-record.com

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