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    Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Not sure if any of you are aware of the "Climate Bill" that was rammed through congress. No one even got a chance to read the bill. Unless they are more than human and can read and understand a 1200 page bill in five hours. Some of you may argue that "Global Warming" is real and that we need to be "greener". Explain this then, why did arctic sea ice expand by 30% in the year since August 2007- August 2008?? Arctic Ice Grows 30 Per Cent In a Year Must be all that "global warming".

    This bill will only help make Al Gore rich and create a huge transfer of power and wealth. Buchanan: Climate Bill Is Transfer Of Wealth To World Government
    Going into this they KNEW this would create job losses in an already weak economy. This will cause companies to close and send more jobs over seas where there are no emission standards. This bill has already passed in congress and is headed to the senate. Every one needs to contact their senators and tell them to vote no on this bill. Unless of course you want to pay more for gas, electricity, and anything that produces a "carbon footprint".

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Ramming through legislation without reading it is par for the course for this Administration & Congress. Remember the "Stimulus Bill"; that too was rammed home with no KY.

    Quote Originally Posted by CTobias View Post
    Going into this they KNEW this would create job losses in an already weak economy. This will cause companies to close and send more jobs over seas where there are no emission standards.
    The House version has increases for unemployment compensation written into it to cover the expected job losses! What a crock. Take a look at what "green jobs" did to the economy of Spain, I believe their unemployment rate is 18% after they went the windmill and solar panel route!

    Quote Originally Posted by CTobias View Post
    This bill has already passed in congress and is headed to the senate. Every one needs to contact their senators and tell them to vote no on this bill. Unless of course you want to pay more for gas, electricity, and anything that produces a "carbon footprint".

    Unfortunately BOTH of my PA Senators are likely to vote for the bill, but it won't keep me from blasting that dress wearing POS "Arleen" Specter with a letter or two.

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Financial, auto, health and now energy. The oil and gas companies balance sheets are to strong for a governmant takeover, so tax them out of exsistence, then use government subsidies for renewables to gain control of the energy sector.

    Call it a conspiracy but its happening right before your eyes.

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kilgour Farms View Post
    Financial, auto, health and now energy. The oil and gas companies balance sheets are to strong for a governmant takeover, so tax them out of exsistence, then use government subsidies for renewables to gain control of the energy sector.

    Call it a conspiracy but its happening right before your eyes.
    The interesting thing will be to see the looks on the people's faces that voted for this "Change" and thought it meant they would get free everything when they get their first new bill for electricity. Whats to follow this little piece of legislation, Socialized medicine, immigration reform( read 20 million new citiziens who will vote almos entirely democratic), and then probably next year social security reform which will absolutely result in higher taxes as the insolvency of the program is accelarating due to unemployment rates being higher so less folks paing in to the system. Was out in California 2 weeks and had a person ask me why I needed to eat a hamburger for lunch when it was directly responsible for global warming. I was trying to not choke on my hamburger and then as luck would have it, I ripped a monumental fart and said "Got out of my carbon footprint"!!!!

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Whats to follow this little piece of legislation, Socialized medicine....
    hopefully.

    hey, i'm for this bill, and willing to pay the REAL costs (and reap the REAL benefits) of it, but i understand and accept opposing opinions on it. but, imo, the one place where we need a real, complete, total overhaul, and the one place where it really does make sense to "go left", is health care coverage. it wont happen (in this or the next decade) because there are too many big interests involved, and too much fear over this "socialism" plague. but you wait until us young'ins start holding a little more sway. some day...

    also, F that d-bag. gotta love holier-than-thou lifestyle-preachers (like AK...), hope you didnt hurt his feelings too bad


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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    It's good to see some of the people out there are awake on these issues. God knows most young aults (ok kids) my age are more concerned with the next reality t.v. show coming out.

    T.V. is just like the Roman Gladitorial Games that lasted for months on end. It is used to keep the masses occupied and unaware of what is happening in their world. The only shows should be hunting and fishing shows. Of course deadliest catch and dirty jobs will be allowed on as well. Haha.

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by eddavidson9 View Post
    hopefully.

    hey, i'm for this bill, and willing to pay the REAL costs (and reap the REAL benefits) of it, but i understand and accept opposing opinions on it. but, imo, the one place where we need a real, complete, total overhaul, and the one place where it really does make sense to "go left", is health care coverage. it wont happen (in this or the next decade) because there are too many big interests involved, and too much fear over this "socialism" plague. but you wait until us young'ins start holding a little more sway. some day...

    also, F that d-bag. gotta love holier-than-thou lifestyle-preachers (like AK...), hope you didnt hurt his feelings too bad

    Good luck with your belief that socialized (or whatever you wish to call it) medicine is the way to go. I have no problem with having an objective discussion on this topic. Let me just tell you having lived abroad for many years I have seen first hand what a government run healthcare program does. There is no doubt that reform in healthcare is needed but depending on our government to provide the answer is going to result in one definitive outcome "disappointment". You need only look at the most recent news coming from the CBO on costs for this program which are unsustainable. Quick little history. Back in 03 or 04 Pres Bush signed a bill for prescription drugs. To fund that bill at the time it was signed we needed to have 8 trillion dollars invested at treasury rates. We didnt have 8 trillion...we didnt have 8 billion... we didnt have 8 million...we didnt have 8 dollars. In fact we had nothing to fund this just as we have nothing to fund this new healthcare bill or the other bills now winding through congress with a rubber stamp. So what that means is your going to pay for it and be careful when you say you will fund whatever costs because its not just one bill..Its all of it in addition to the increases in state, local, and property taxes you will most certainly seein hte coming years. Your going to need that healthcare bill because the stress is going to kill you...lets just hope they arent rationing heart medication when that happens. Now back to your regularly scheduled programming!!!

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Greed will eventually be the downfall of this country. I'm afraid its going to take a catastrophic economic event to snap everyone out of the gangster society we've become. Back room deals and virtual RICO arrangments are now accepted forms of government spending. It's a shame that what should be positive emissions legislation has to be ruined by crooked politicians.

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by CTobias View Post
    T.V. is just like the Roman Gladitorial Games that lasted for months on end. It is used to keep the masses occupied and unaware of what is happening in their world.
    Makes you wonder if Nancy Pelosi had a hand in the timing of the recent death of the "Gloved One"

    "Hello, UCLA Medical Center, this is the Speaker of the House. How's Michael doing....not so good, huh? Well, thanks, for the update. Let me know when it's over. That'll be a good time to ram the Waxman-Markley bill through Congress while everybody is distracted."

    Jeez, first Farrah, then Wacko Jacko, and finally Mr. Mighty Putty...

    ...Feeding Christians to the Lions was never as distracting as all of this!

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    ...and then probably next year social security reform which will absolutely result in higher taxes as the insolvency of the program is accelerating due to unemployment rates being higher so less folks paying in to the system.
    Jeez, I seem to remember the other side blasting the Bush Administration when they pushed Social Security reform 4-5 years ago. I seem to recall that despite similar projected deficits as we have today, the counter claim was the system wasn't broken.

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    ...Was out in California 2 weeks and had a person ask me why I needed to eat a hamburger for lunch when it was directly responsible for global warming.
    God how I wish that would happen to me or better yet, I wish somebody carrying those $2 "Save the Planet" shopping bags would try and challenge my conscience in the supermarket line when I get asked the eternal question:

    "Sir, Would you like paper or plastic?"

    "Ahhhh, some of each please and double bag everything, especially the ground beef!!!"

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Thread has me wondering...


    In general, do flyfishermen tend to be more liberal or more conservative?

    (In the current political definitions of those words, of course.)


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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    I think most fly fishing folks are moderate, be it republican or democrat.

    Here's my theory...

    The divide and conquer tactics by both heavy right republicans and way left democrats only serve one selfish purpose. To pad and solidify their fringe ranks through hate and promoting mistrust.

    In my experience people who fly fish are largely moderates because they are average or better intelligence and can see through this artificial BS and think logically.

    For instance
    ...conservative republicans are more likely to favor mining companies that'll pollute rivers while
    ...liberal democrats are more likely to try and ban certain guns.

    Does it need to be either or for these two contested topics to then be able to call yourself a republican or democrat? This, a huge list of other topics don't seem so cut and dry. A moderate stance on either (mining rules that don't allow overburden to be dumped wherever and maybe have a waiting period to buy a hand gun out of state) would be reasonable.

    Sadly the flame war tactics are only going to widen the gap. Maybe voting to get more moderates elected is the way to go, even if it means crossing your own party lines.

    Then again, maybe I'm