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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Somebody kill this thread..........most boring I've ever seen on this site.........put
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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GARYB View Post
    Somebody kill this thread..........most boring I've ever seen on this site.........put
    in a political soapbox tournament thread category.
    Here is an idea. Dont read it...Its america and you have that right...for now

    However with the number of views and replies someone thinks its worth reading...In any event I am heading out on vacation myself starting Sunday so you will probably not have to worry about it.

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by tompg View Post
    I only hope that Gov't helps make efficient choices more economical (for me and people like me). I don't say that there is a plan in effect. I would also prefer that green choices get cheaper not brown choices more expensive.In this point we agree but thats not what the current bill aims to do Conserving energy is expensive.Go pick up the book live like Ed written by Ed Begley. He is fairly extreme in how he lives but his book offers very practical tips and steps you can take that are not expensive I for one would love to live off the grid but even the baby steps to get there are very costly in general, unless I move into a cave and give up on debating here at NEFF.com.

    Great than lets incents folks to move that way and not tax them or penalize them if they dont. It is counterproductive to do so. I should not have gone off on a tangent about the other stuff but its all related in that it comes down to money.

    Without commenting on SS, Medicare, baby boomers and everything else you mention, it's tough for people to spend any capital right now. A car dealer is not likely to spend the resources to install motion detectors for a few grand when he can leave his lights on for a few dollars. I like the intention but it's just not reasonable currently to expect many small business owners to make that type of investment. There is no way the motion detectors will pay for themselves before they need to be replaced. The average monthly electric bill at the car dealers in the next town over from where I live is 1700 dollars. The ROI is typically 5 months based on an analysis we did for 3 dealers. Generally in business during economic downurns you need to be able to recoup your investment witin a year and sometimes 6 months. This is a no brainer Tom. Here is where government can help and I dont mean federal government. If they wanted to collapse that down to say 3 month ROI they could provide an energy credit back to the dealers or any business.

    When ROI on energy efficient products is closer to a 30-90 days then conservation will reach a critical mass that really means something. According to my crystal ball anyway.
    I gave an example of how this can be done and how some companies do this based on performance contracting. That costs no up front money and the money used to pay the contractor comes as a percentage directly from savings they get in reducing their energy bill.

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    This is a fly fishing forum, isn't it ??


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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montauklax View Post
    CT,

    Perhaps when you (or the opposing view) can provide credible links and not just rhetoric and conservative leaning voices this discussion will move forward.
    So obama saying this will cost us mucho dinero is not credible?

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Montauklax View Post
    CT,
    I'm not going to weigh in on this topic one way or another. With that said, can you please post a link with any sort or credibility? Posting a link on the topic of global warming per the heritage foundation is akin to an anti-hunter posting a link from PETA. You get it?

    Perhaps when you (or the opposing view) can provide credible links and not just rhetoric and conservative leaning voices this discussion will move forward.

    Maybe what's really "ruining" this country is a lack of basic research skills. I think Library skills 101 is in order for some. Some people need to learn to research and cite credible scientific sources.
    Just because Pat Buchanan or Nancy Pelosi state it doesn't make it fact.


    Maybe these 700 scientists lack basic research skills.
    http://epw.senate.gov/public/index.c...d-6e2d71db52d9

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Just a little snippet for all you doubters and nay sayers.


    This new report issued by the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee's office of the GOP Ranking Member is the latest evidence of the growing groundswell of scientific opposition challenging significant aspects of the claims of the UN IPCC and Al Gore.


    Some of you have not been paying attention. This bill is not about helping the environment. It's about helping someone get rich.

    Also, Bigbow, I am active duty military come this fall. So, it doesn't really effect my job.


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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by BIGBOW View Post
    What is there to debate you fool? Argue our opinions in front of a computer for days on end and get NOWHERE? This thread is a bunch of opinions.. nothing real at all.. oh, except Dr Trout Nazi who went to college and knows global warming is fake.

    Have you looked at any of the links and read what was on the pages?? You should go see my most recent link.

    Don't worry bigbow...you keep being a sheep...

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    The comments section on this green tech article are very similar to our discussion here. I suggest everyone jump on that discussion as well and have ball. The article itself is about smart grid houses.

    GE: Smart grid yields net-zero energy home | Green Tech - CNET News


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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GARYB View Post
    This is a fly fishing forum, isn't it ??
    Yes it is a fly fishing forum, and climate change regardless of couse, will effect stream temps, hence trout...


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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by GARYB View Post
    This is a fly fishing forum, isn't it ??
    No its mine...well really its Ak Skims I mean DCABARLE

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    Re: Global Warming a Hoax, don't worry you will still pay for it.

    The Divorce Agreement:

    Dear American liberals, leftists, social progressives, socialists, Marxists and Obama supporters, et al:

    We have stuck together since the late 1950's, but the whole of this latest election process has made me realize that I want a divorce. I know we tolerated each other for many years for the sake of future generations, but sadly, this relationship has run its course. Our two ideological sides of America cannot and will not ever agree on what is right so let's just end it on friendly terms. We can smile and chalk it up to irreconcilable differences and go our own way.

    Here is a model separation agreement:

    Our two groups can equitably divide up this country by landmass each taking a portion. That will be the difficult part, but I am sure our two sides can come to a friendly agreement. After that, it should be relatively easy! Our respective representatives can effortlessly divide other assets since both sides have such distinct and disparate tastes.

    We don't like re-distributive taxes so you can keep them. You are welcome to the liberal judges and the ACLU. Since you hate guns and war, we'll take our firearms, the cops, the NRA and the military. You can keep Oprah, Michael Moore, and Rosie O'Donnell. (You are, however, responsible for finding a bio-diesel vehicle big enough to move all three of them).

    We'll keep the capitalism, greedy corporations, pharmaceutical companies, Wal-Mart, and Wall Street. You can have your beloved homeboys, hippies and illegal aliens. We'll keep the hot Alaskan hockey moms, greedy CEO's and rednecks. We'll keep the Bibles and give you NBC and Hollywood .

    You can make nice with Iran and Palestine and we'll retain the right to invade and hammer places that threaten us. You can have the peaceniks and war protesters.
    When our allies or our way of life are under assault, we'll help provide them security.

    We'll keep our Judeo-Christian values. You are welcome to Islam, Scientology, Humanism, and Shirley McClain. You can also have the U.N., but we will no longer be paying the bill.

    We'll keep the SUV's, pickup trucks, and oversized luxury cars. You can take every Volkswagen you can find.

    We'll keep The Battle Hymn of the Republican the National Anthem. I'm sure you'll be happy to substitute Imagine, I'd Like to Teach the World to Sing, Kum Ba Ya or We Are the World.

    We'll practice trickle down economics and you can give trickle up poverty your best shot. Since it often so offends you, we'll keep our history, our name and our flag.

    Would you agree to this? In the spirit of friendly parting, I'll bet you which one of us will need whose help in 15 years.


    Sincerely,

    John J. Wall
    Law Student and an American

    P.S. Also, please take Barbara Streisand & Jane Fonda with you.

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