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    Would you "guide"

    Hi all,

    For those of you that didn't follow the thread NE Guide Review, we kind of got off topic (sorry Dennis), so I thought we could move this 2 a new thread.

    Context: We all (seem) to have a passion for our flyfishing. As we have seen in business, carreers, (marriage), a good way for many to kill the passion is to do it for $$, all day every day, and when we are "obliged" to do IT (;-).

    Question:

    Would you be a guide (profit/living/$$$) ??
    Would you "guide" a friend or acquantence who offers you 50-100 bucks to "show 'em the ropes" ?

    Why or why not ??


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    I would never professionally guide. Too many downsides. I do however "guide" friends and family whenever needed. I always do it for free, though. I wouldn't dream of asking for $$.


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    Hi FTR,

    When you "guide", do you fish too or do you prefer to spend 99% of the time taking carry of the "client" (friend etc). ??


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    I'd probably not guide. I'm not too good with people. I'd want it done my way, get frustrated, start yelling at people... Hmmmmm. Wasn't someone recently looking for someone like me?

    Seriously though, I think I'd have more fun being able to assist someone and not make the $$$. If anyone were to ask me for assistance, it would be free of charge, I'll leave the charging to the professionals who do this for a living, most of them deserve it.

    HydelowRider and I were thinking of going out one day in May with one of the guides on the D. Anyone out there looking to through us a freebie? Hey, it never hurts to ask!!!

    Pictures taken before/after/during fly fishing:
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    Oh Dennis,

    I never said I don't get "testy" with people - even paying clients. Depends on what the agreement is for the day on the river.

    I've had $$ clients who've asked that I not let one single error go uncorrected. One client I actually pulled out of the pool, took back to a grassy slope and had start all over again to correct some casting habits.

    Other "clients"/friends have come up. I KNEW it would be hopeless to try to correct them. We knew from the onset that I'd put them over fish and they KNEW that they wouldn't catch any (two false casts and the pool was empty of trout). They just wanted to spend some time "in the water waving a stick".


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    I would. I find nearly as much satisfaction putting someone new onto fish and having them catch one as I do catching them myself. I can't say I've done it enough so it has gotten old, but I have certainly done it a fair amount.

    "Not all those who wander are lost."

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    As I said on the other thread, I'm really in it for the fun.

    When I tell some people that I'm just as thrilled to help someone connect on a 20lb Atlantic Salmon than to be the one holding the rod, I think they sometimes don't believe me. It is how I feel though.

    The very best felling is when a newcomer connects with their very first monster trout or Atlantic Salmon.

    Can you remember your FIRST trophy trout or Salmon ??

    I can for both and the memory is vivid, time, pleace, environnement everything.

    Image the pleasure in knowing that YOU are partly repsonsable for someones fish of a lifetime or memory.

    Fun eh ??

    My girlfriend's very first trout



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    I have guided a few times, it can be rough- particulary because i wanted to fish, If they don't ask for help on casting do not give help- suggest instead if really needed. I had one guy show up to go for salmon in a bright yellow jacket and completely out of shape we hiked to the first beat and i though he was going to collapse. So we waited and he let me cast while he caught his breathe a half hour later he was up and ready to cast, I learnt immeadiately he could not cast with a sinking tip and i was up in the trees to save me last ally shrimp. so we started downstream i led him to a school of sea trout he walked right in the middle of them, and then he began to get down on him self he didnt want to keep casting "he wasn't gonna catch anything" it got pathetic. Right until I spotted a giant salmon in a small 5 by 5ft pool and had him cast to him completely hidden jhe got hung up in a tree no problem i had him cut the line, i didnt believe there was a salmon so he walked w\right up to the hole and plunked his fly on its head the thing swam in circles going crazy and he just kept slamming his fly down till it swam up stream, that was it "slamon are to hard to catch" so off the stream we were when bam he crashes trough the bank and sprains his ankle, I'll end it there because it onbly got worse walking arm in arm to the mouth of the river- in the end i got a nice tip missed a bunch of sea trout and a monster salmon i wish i was casting to- but got a nice tip and those sea troput were in the loch that afternoon and i had the afternoon free!- i want to guide out west someday, but that was a rough experience, I hadf to guide and be Dr. Phil, who gives up like that?


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    Rob,

    Great adventure. Well, I guess it's fun for me to read about it now. I probably wasn't so much fun at the time.

    I was witness to a similar booking serveral years ago here on the Ste-Marguerite.

    Some italian tourists booked a guide through the hotel in Quebec City where they were on holidays. The hotel didn't have any real references, so they booked through an american travel agency who in turn found an english speaking (not french nor italian) guide.

    The guide was from a still water outfitter who specialised in Northern Pike. The tourists wanted to learn fly fishing over Atlantic Salmon.

    (mistake #1: Client and guide NEVER once communicated before the morning on the river).

    The would be salmon guide did do a good job of finding a few locals who pointed him to some fish (juvenile sea run brooks (salmon season being closed 4 weeks earlier).

    Problems really started then. A short list of mishaps follows:

    - The clients could only speak french and italian. The "guide" could only speak english

    - Clients couldn't cast, neither could the "guide" (him being a spin caster... he had a pickup full of spinning rods and dare devils) The clients had stocked up on Sage outfits in QC the week before, poor souls)

    - No one thought about food, lunch snacks so we all pitched in to make them a potluck lunch.

    - The pool where they thought they could fish is a run/slick that flows left to right so every time they pickup off a streamer swing, they either buz their head or snag the trees. (not fun for learning to cast)

    - I lent them a canoe (mistake) (for free) which they dumped in the #8 pool and lost all their equipements (the local guides looked for weeks down stream for 2 brand new sage outfits which the tourists lost). Had to run 800 yards down stream to get my canoe back (lost a paddle too)

    - They had no dry clothes in the car so they drove 3.5 hrs back to Quebec city in their underwear.

    I'm not sure if they gave a tip to the "guide"

    On a hppy note, the italian couple cam back last year for a fishing holiday were they each connected on several 2-5lb trout.


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    I obtained my guide's license about 11 or so years ago mainly because the company I work for was planning on downsizing. I wanted something to fall back on, if I had to. But I'm still employed so I haven't done any guiding for money. I do 'guide' my friends but that's only because I have a boat and they don't and it's just fishing together (not guiding). One or two of them even row sometimes. Would I guide for a living? Possibly not. I don't enjoy fishing in a crowd and would prefer to never guide on a weekend, which is when most of the folks looking for a guide would have the availability to fish. I would enjoy doing it, but not too often. Don't want it to become like 'work'.

    Dennis and HydelowRider - if you're interested, I'll take you down the river. Let me know when.

    Bruce


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    I guess we're pretty well in agreement eh .

    I guess the difference with me is that I will take vacation time from my real job to guide.

    I am VERY carefl though to communicate extremely clearly with potential clients. I guess that has given me a bit a rep here as I have a couple of times asked for references from some clients from guides they had already hired.

    Sounds extreme, but I like to make sure EVERYone has a good idea what to expect on the booking. I also like that everyone has a nice time, including the guide(s).

    Have fun, otherwise, we'd call it work (:-)


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    I generally like to fish by myself. that doesn't mean I don't like to go fishing with other people, but we always move off in different directions on the water.

    (Caution - non-fishing mental meander, but related nevertheless)

    I was offered a job working for an outfitter in South Jersey guiding pheasant hunters on semi-private land. I said no, mostly because the drive was too far, the money w'an't good enough, and frankly I don't trust my dog to produce the quantity of birds a paying customer would demand.

    My dawg, well - he doesn't work for me when we bird hunt, he's just my huntin' buddy & we hunt together. It's not his job, it's his sport too - and he loves it. We both have a lot more fun that way, and I think he finds more birds when I let him do what he wants and go where he wants to go. His nose is smarter than mine. I like to think I'm smart enough to know that.


    (OK back to fishing)

    Fishing is different. I have taken people fishing. I have helped people learn how to fish, and provided the "student" isn't a jackass (I mean like a donkey - hee hawww. Does it count as profanity if I compare a person to a smelly stubborn animal that doesn't listen when all you want to do is help them do something the right way?) we have a good time.

    I have never charged anybody anything to take them out fishing. The more I learn, the more I learn I have much more to learn.

    I don't think I'm good enough to charge money. I may never be, and that's fine. That's won't stop me from having fun!


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