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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    The meeting was on 2/8...later that same day....

    I paraphrased part of what Chris said, including the word "supposedly".
    He appeared to be trying to express optimism, but didn't seem too sure of himself.
    I just checked very closely and confirmed no permit application is in to NJDEP yet. My guess is if they sent anything, they requested that the DEP tell them which permit(s) they need for this type of project. That answer will be a GP-16, but it allows the Oakland contractor to keep the ball rolling without violation of bid contract because of all the time that has elapsed since they were awarded the bid. And it will confirm to them that there is no other way to do in-stream restoration for fish habitat enhancement.

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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    Anyone have any news on this project or know if it was formerly declared dead and buried in the town archives? By bid requirements, it should have been completed by last summer. Just curious if any of you lives in Oakland and can ask what happened to this restoration. From what I know of this project which is a lot, it's better to not to do any project rather than to let the winning bidder who doesn't seem nearly qualified try and fail.

    I know the town removed the flood commissioner from his appointed (non payed) office over it and he was one of only 2 that truly understood what needed to be done and how best to get qualified bidders only to bid in the first place. He became a thorn in the side for the town council and they showed him the door, but he is a very good man and was correct all along. He originally drove this project for the borough and later had to come out against it once the bidding process went the way that it did.

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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    The last time it was mentioned in a council meeting, Chris mumbled something about needing permits. He doesn't go into much detail, just one or two sentences during the liaison reports, if he mentions it at all.

    Last nights meeting wasn't televised, there was nothing about it on the agenda, and the newest minutes on their website are from February, so I don't know if he reported anything current.


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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    The last time it was mentioned in a council meeting, Chris mumbled something about needing permits. He doesn't go into much detail, just one or two sentences during the liaison reports, if he mentions it at all.

    Last nights meeting wasn't televised, there was nothing about it on the agenda, and the newest minutes on their website are from February, so I don't know if he reported anything current.
    Looks like they applied for the permit (a GP-16 is what they need).

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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    The permit app will force the mussel survey which will create yet another (fully anticipated) delay until they can find someone to do the work and get the work done before November when the freshwater mussels retreat deeper into the streambed and can't be detected well during a survey. Then, once the survey is completed, it will definitely trigger the need to change the design in areas where colonies of mussels are present. We are talking state threatened species, so the Division won't mess around. That means a change order for more $$ followed by additional delays.......no wonder the flood commish resigned recently. He is smart to run away from this smelly

    It just pisses me off how much time I donated back then to help the Borough (there was nothing in it for me when I worked for TU and it only cost me time I couldn't be compensated for). I told them all about the mussel survey and how in their case the survey needs to be done first or it would cause delays and changes to designs which would increase costs. They all shook their heads in agreement, and then continued on to blow it all off and now have this mess on their collective hands.

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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    Are these mussels good steamed?

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    Re: Ramapo River Restoration Project Moves Along

    Quote Originally Posted by lightenup View Post
    Are these mussels good steamed?
    That all depends on how drunk your patron is at the time, I guess.

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