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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    Royalties for a pattern, BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    I think we have forgotten two important points before we get any royalties , 1 you just invented this super terrific fly yesterday and haven't even caught a fish on it yet , do we know it works ? 2 you need a catchy name for this fly , like " the super terrific atomic twinkle bomb" or " RRTU FTN 4/24 " catchy stuff like that will empty those fly bins for sure.

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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    just curious..what possibly could any royalties of a fly amount to? maybe enough to buy an ice cream in 20 yrs? is there even legit patents on flies? i dont even know..A brasko,, help me out here.


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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    If you're like me, you invent a new fly every time you try to make an existing pattern and screw it up, or substitute something else for a material you don't have.

    Most of my mistakes catch fish....
    Are they patentable?

    On the few occasions when I think I've made an innovation, a "Google" search will usually reveal "prior art". If I don't don't find it, I can post it here, and someone else will tell me who already did it.

    BTW: A patent only protects you from commercial exploitation. Anyone can still (legally) tie it for his/her own personal use.


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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    Well I think the patent on the fly is just the ground work for the book . I do have a great idea , I say we take this fancy trout smashing pattern and take it to the one bug . If you win the the one bug with the super atomic twinkle bomb , then we start talking DVD .

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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    Quote Originally Posted by Lloyd View Post
    Well I think the patent on the fly is just the ground work for the book . I do have a great idea , I say we take this fancy trout smashing pattern and take it to the one bug . If you win the the one bug with the super atomic twinkle bomb , then we start talking DVD .
    Ok thanks for the replies,was only looking for direction. I will call the major fly companys and see what they say. With Andys reply he must of went through the same responses.


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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    Your not really planting a flag anywhere with a new fly. I would imagine that if it floats or sinks, prior art exhists out there, purely by the definition of what a fly or lure is. If you did come up with some sort of "unique" pattern, your claims would probably be so narrow that anyone could get around them by just substituting material, color, etc. (assuming that your claims are even patentable). Plus it probably costs between $5-10k to go through the process, how would you make a return on that investment?

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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    I got a rise to my strike indicator yesterday... I have two different colors, should I put a hook on it and apply for a patent?


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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    Quote Originally Posted by pitbull View Post
    is there even legit patents on flies? i dont even know

    yes! jim teeny patented the "Teeny Nymph" many years ago

    http://www.google.com/patents/US3821862


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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    Not being the historian that some are, I don't think there have been many patents issued for flies. The One I know of is the fly that Franz Pott pat. back in 1908 or there abouts. I think to have something concidered for patent it has to be unique, with maybe unique materials. The Potts flies had several of those steps in the fly. They were woven bodies, woven hackle. He used a lot of hair from the ears of a red oxen. He also used skunk and a couple of others. He also had the flies tyed in three steps by women in three different work shops so no one knew how the competed fly was constructed.


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    Re: How do you patent a trout fly

    I cannot imagine being able to patent a fly pattern today. The basics are in the public domain and there are thousands of fly tyers that are constantly tying existing patterns or creating new ones to try. Using thread to wrap materials on a hook goes back a couple of thousand years and it would be difficult to prove that you "invented" a pattern. Some creative commercial tyers like to put their name on a certain pattern (e.g. Copper John) and some of the larger fly suppliers may pay a royalty to say it is the same as the pattern tied by John Barr, but a patent? I also understand some of the materials that are produced (e.g. Ice Dub) and the reason to patent that process. But fly tying is part utlitarian, and part art. We buy our tools, such as vises, from manufacturers who indeed have a right to patent their invention. But what we create with our tools is a never ending list and not the domain of one person. Fortunately some very talented individuals throughout history have been willing to share their patterns and techniques which may or may not be unique. Some fly tyers choose to write books or other publications and we have the option to purchase them and learn, but with no strings (or thread) attached.

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