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    Family Vacation

    Greetings all,

    New to the board and new to the East Coast. We recently moved from Alberta, Canada to North New Jersey, and were very active anglers in Southern Alberta along the foothills. We claim no expertise as fly fishers, but we do know our way around the Porcupine Hills just before the Rockies. Anyway, we are making a LATE trip to the Catskills on Monday for two weeks of vacation. We are very ignorant as to the ways and means of fly-fishing here, and would like some advice.

    We like to fish streams mostly. Can you give some suggestions as to where we could fish whilt staying at Russel-brook Campsite next week? Any help you could give would be appreciated. We are handy on the vice, so please suggest some flies to tie if you have time.

    Thanks again,

    JL

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    Re: Family Vacation

    Alberta to NJ??? How can that happen? I don't understand??


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    Re: Family Vacation

    Man, that had to hurt.

    i wish I could help.

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    Re: Family Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerrold Lewis View Post

    New to the board and new to the East Coast. ... We are very ignorant as to the ways and means of fly-fishing here, and would like some advice.
    1) We like to hold the fly and dead drift our rod through heavy riffles.
    2) If you eat bacon (and get your fingers good n' greasy) while tying, HUGE browns will take midges stripped like streamers.

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    Seriously though, it's just fishing like anywhere else. That aside, here is my experience from being in a similar situation about a year ago…


    You are posting right behind an entire thread devoted to how pressured part of that system has gotten. It's unlikely you will get the kind of specific advice you want from people that know it on a public forum. I remember how much silence sucks as a response, so here is what I can offer.


    You claim to be an angler, but not specifically a fly fisher, so I am tailoring my suggestions accordingly (discard as needed/desired). Here are some non-specific tips for the area:


    1) Look up a hatch chart for the river(s) you are interested in.


    2) Don't obsess about the WB, there are fish in all the rivers there.


    3) Don't stand next to someone. Common sense dictates how much space to give them in a given location, but it's definitely more than 20'.


    4) Get a thermometer. Just because you want to fish somewhere, doesn't mean you should.


    5) Grab some bugs when they float by. It's shocking how many people don't actually look at the real thing when it's a net scoop away. You don't need to know a bug's name to tie something that looks like it. I have a whole bottle of insects in alcohol that I used at first.


    6) If the stories about Northwestern fishing are true, don't expect that kind of success.


    7) Wade carefully, and watch water flows. We are getting a lot of water, after a lot of water. Don't do something stupid for a fish, call a fly shop and ask about wading if you aren't sure.

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    Re: Family Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue_Halos View Post
    1) We like to hold the fly and dead drift our rod through heavy riffles.
    2) If you eat bacon (and get your fingers good n' greasy) while tying, HUGE browns will take midges stripped like streamers.

    ----------------------------

    Seriously though, it's just fishing like anywhere else. That aside, here is my experience from being in a similar situation about a year ago…


    You are posting right behind an entire thread devoted to how pressured part of that system has gotten. It's unlikely you will get the kind of specific advice you want from people that know it on a public forum. I remember how much silence sucks as a response, so here is what I can offer.


    You claim to be an angler, but not specifically a fly fisher, so I am tailoring my suggestions accordingly (discard as needed/desired). Here are some non-specific tips for the area:


    1) Look up a hatch chart for the river(s) you are interested in.


    2) Don't obsess about the WB, there are fish in all the rivers there.


    3) Don't stand next to someone. Common sense dictates how much space to give them in a given location, but it's definitely more than 20'.


    4) Get a thermometer. Just because you want to fish somewhere, doesn't mean you should.


    5) Grab some bugs when they float by. It's shocking how many people don't actually look at the real thing when it's a net scoop away. You don't need to know a bug's name to tie something that looks like it. I have a whole bottle of insects in alcohol that I used at first.


    6) If the stories about Northwestern fishing are true, don't expect that kind of success.


    7) Wade carefully, and watch water flows. We are getting a lot of water, after a lot of water. Don't do something stupid for a fish, call a fly shop and ask about wading if you aren't sure.
    Thanks for this. I should have clarified, "fly angler". Never really used a spinner or live bait much before. Having said that, in Alberta, I'd be considered novice/intermediate fisher, only logging 500-600 hours on the water, and around 500 trout in the last 5 years. I know the Old Man River, the Crowsnest, St. Mary, Livingstone, Bow, and a hundred little unnamed streams in the Foothills/Procupine Hills and the Old Trunk Road in the Rockies. Miss all that greatly. I just don't know the Catskills at all. Zip. Looking for some help on these waters. Simply don't know where, when, etc. I guess you are right, pressure on these popular waters makes for a silent board when asking for help in this regard. Iwas shocked to see how many people were on the Beaverkill when we went up to have a look two weeks ago. Looked like a checkout line at Walmart. But boy were these guys "pretty". Never seen so much expensive gear lathered on men before. Guess our trip will be an seeking expedition, which is half the joy.

    Now off to fry that bacon.

    Kind regards,

    JL

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    Re: Family Vacation

    In the summer, temperatures is usually an issue. The larger freestones - like the lower Beaverkill and the lower Willowemoc - are commonly too warm to fish, and if they are cool enough the fishing turns on just at dark. For example, I was in the Catskills on Wednesday. It was a cloudy day and the water stayed cool, so I fished the Willow in the evening. A few on nymphs in pocket water, then at 8:50 there were fish popping everywhere and at 9:00 it was too dark for me. Lots of fish in those 10 minutes though.

    The usual summer option is the tailwaters. East and West branches of the Delaware. West Branch is more popular - East Branch is like a giant spring creek that tests your skills. Take your pick. Tricos in the AM (mostly East, but also Beaverkill), sulphurs and olives in the afternoon, and spinners and who knows what in the evening. Upper river can be around 50F, so wading in the upper sections is a sure way to keep cool on a hot day at least.

    Final option is to head to the upper sections and tribs for little brookies. They bite all summer, but can be tricky in low clear water. I like the upper Willowemoc around the village of Willowemoc. Generally need to walk to the better places.

    Stop in Roscoe and talk to the staff at a fly shop. Baxter House, Beaverkill Angler, Catskill Flies, and Dette's (oldest flyshop in Catskills, and maybe world) canal help you out. Roscoe is probably the most fly shop dense town in the US. The Catskill Fly Fishing Museum is a good stop as well for times when fishing is off.

    Good luck.

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    But boy were these guys "pretty". Never seen so much expensive gear lathered on men before.


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    Re: Family Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffK View Post
    In the summer, temperatures is usually an issue. The larger freestones - like the lower Beaverkill and the lower Willowemoc - are commonly too warm to fish, and if they are cool enough the fishing turns on just at dark. For example, I was in the Catskills on Wednesday. It was a cloudy day and the water stayed cool, so I fished the Willow in the evening. A few on nymphs in pocket water, then at 8:50 there were fish popping everywhere and at 9:00 it was too dark for me. Lots of fish in those 10 minutes though.

    The usual summer option is the tailwaters. East and West branches of the Delaware. West Branch is more popular - East Branch is like a giant spring creek that tests your skills. Take your pick. Tricos in the AM (mostly East, but also Beaverkill), sulphurs and olives in the afternoon, and spinners and who knows what in the evening. Upper river can be around 50F, so wading in the upper sections is a sure way to keep cool on a hot day at least.

    Final option is to head to the upper sections and tribs for little brookies. They bite all summer, but can be tricky in low clear water. I like the upper Willowemoc around the village of Willowemoc. Generally need to walk to the better places.

    Stop in Roscoe and talk to the staff at a fly shop. Baxter House, Beaverkill Angler, Catskill Flies, and Dette's (oldest flyshop in Catskills, and maybe world) canal help you out. Roscoe is probably the most fly shop dense town in the US. The Catskill Fly Fishing Museum is a good stop as well for times when fishing is off.

    Good luck.
    Much appreciated thoughts. I will make a note of this for our trip. To be honest, litle creeks and tribs are very attractive for us as it often gets us off the beaten path. We like solitude for sure. Thanks again!

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    Re: Family Vacation

    i can send you a pm if that all right with you

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    Re: Family Vacation

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    i can send you a pm if that all right with you
    please do. Thanks.

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    Re: Family Vacation

    You'll really like the Russel Brook sites. To get there...head up 206 (straight uphill) outta Roscoe. Turn L on to morton hill rd. Take that to the upper end of russel brook rd. Can't access the sites from downstream russell brook, bridge washout. Try to get the first pullout on the left. Heck of a nice spot...flat with a nice fire pit and good shade. No ammenities at the sites. There have been so many isolated t-storms on the rather severe side this summer I hope you take some caution with weather. Can't wait to get back there in a few weeks.

    I've done well fishing nymphs in these waters through July. All streams which have been mentioned are well above their '75th percentile' on the USGS.gov gage charts. Being from Canadia, I am not certain as to whether you're familiar these gages but I'd suggest you start to watch the streams mentioned as to have an idea about their respective flows. Keep in mind, some are controlled by dam release which can have no rhyme or reason. There are several sites, such as Al Cuacci's, which gives descriptions of the flow levels in regard to wadability.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerrold Lewis View Post
    Greetings all,

    New to the board and new to the East Coast. We recently moved from Alberta, Canada to North New Jersey, and were very active anglers in Southern Alberta along the foothills. We claim no expertise as fly fishers, but we do know our way around the Porcupine Hills just before the Rockies. Anyway, we are making a LATE trip to the Catskills on Monday for two weeks of vacation. We are very ignorant as to the ways and means of fly-fishing here, and would like some advice.

    We like to fish streams mostly. Can you give some suggestions as to where we could fish whilt staying at Russel-brook Campsite next week? Any help you could give would be appreciated. We are handy on the vice, so please suggest some flies to tie if you have time.

    Thanks again,

    JL



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    Re: Family Vacation

    Quote Originally Posted by thrashers.wheat View Post
    You'll really like the Russel Brook sites. To get there...head up 206 (straight uphill) outta Roscoe. Turn L on to morton hill rd. Take that to the upper end of russel brook rd. Can't access the sites from downstream russell brook, bridge washout. Try to get the first pullout on the left. Heck of a nice spot...flat with a nice fire pit and good shade. No ammenities at the sites. There have been so many isolated t-storms on the rather severe side this summer I hope you take some caution with weather. Can't wait to get back there in a few weeks.

    I've done well fishing nymphs in these waters through July. All streams which have been mentioned are well above their '75th percentile' on the USGS.gov gage charts. Being from Canadia, I am not certain as to whether you're familiar these gages but I'd suggest you start to watch the streams mentioned as to have an idea about their respective flows. Keep in mind, some are controlled by dam release which can have no rhyme or reason. There are several sites, such as Al Cuacci's, which gives descriptions of the flow levels in regard to wadability.
    Appreciation! Looking forward to the trip.

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