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    Re: wader repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    For the sake of argument, lets assume that there was no abuse, improper care, nor accidents. That leaves us with normal breakdown of materials over time.

    Whats normal?
    I have a pair of Red Ball "Masters" that I've been using for over 25 years. They've never leaked....
    I may not fish as many hours as some, but I believe that I spend enough time wading, so any "breakdown of materials" would have become evident by now.

    BTW: Before you "beat up" the original poster..... He didn't ask about warranties. He was inquiring about a potential repair service.
    So if your Red Ball waders start to leak, what would be the cause since you have ruled out material breakdown? At this point they owe you nothing which was my point although I bet if they had a warranty and started to leak, some folks would send them back after 25 years.

    IIRC, aren't Red Ball Master waders made of rubberized fabric or coated nylon, not breathable fabric? If so that may also explain your good fortune on an apples to oranges example of normal use. Breathable waders have an entirely different set of problems that develop with them which is one reason why they come with a warranty and a shorter life expectancy.

    BTW - My intention wasn't to beat up the original poster, but rather those that immediately began bashing Orvis which seems to be a sport unto itself on fly fishing message boards. The fact he is willing to pay an outside vendor to repair something that many feel should be covered under warranty, shows that he doesn't have unrealistic expectations...

    ...or he is a very clever troll.

    Only kidding WR!

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    Re: wader repair

    Quote Originally Posted by dcabarle View Post
    Bamby,

    I agree with you 100% at an intellectual level... BUT - Had I purchased Orvis waders based on the guarantee/warrantee they post in print and on their website, the one I pointed out in my previous post, they better own up to it. Now this disclaimer you point out... It's total bullshit. .
    It's called fine print...

    I have a better idea, let's bash lawyers!

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    Re: wader repair

    No. my waders don't owe me anything.... but "what's "normal".
    Should we apply a lower standard to "prestigious" brand names than to my rather mundane "ordinary" waders.

    Based on what I've been reading on this forum, I suspect that when they finally go, I'm going to be very disappointed with what's on the market these days.

    BTW: AK, I upgraded to one of those fancy phones with buttons on it in 1981.


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    Re: wader repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    BTW: AK, I upgraded to one of those fancy phones with buttons on it in 1981.

    Thats right...




    I also forgot about you buying the wife a "new" washer and drier 8 years ago.




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    Re: wader repair

    I to have sent in a pair of Orvis Silver Lable waders they are were 3 yrs old . The day after I bought them I went fishing and promply slipped and fell going down a leaf covered bank. Slidding on my a$$ for a few feet .When i got up and brushed myself off I discovered a rather large hole in them right over my wallet where I had hit a rock on the way down. So I went home got out the kit and repaired them and had never had a leak in them till this year. When I finnished the last of the pre season stocking I sent them in because there was a slow leak in a seam on the right knee other than the hole in the a$$ they were well taken care of and almost looked new.They did service me well as I fish every day unless the water is frozen solid so I guess I can't complain. I was in hopes of them being repaired as it was only the seam leaking and they fit very nice. Much to my disappointment they said that they could not fix them and offered me a 35% discount on my next pair. She asked me if I wanted them back I told her to keep them. She also did note the reason for the discount it is a prorated thing. And is based on the life expectancy of waders which is deemed by them 4 years. Unhappy but 35% is 35%!


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    Re: wader repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    No. my waders don't owe me anything.... but "what's "normal".
    Should we apply a lower standard to "prestigious" brand names than to my rather mundane "ordinary" waders.
    Absolutely not; but normal for Red Ball is totally different than normal for breathable, regardless of price or status due to what they are made of and how they are constructed. All breathable waders have a lower "normal" wear expectancy than Neoprene, rubberized fabric, coated nylon, latex or any of the materials used over the years.

    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    Based on what I've been reading on this forum, I suspect that when they finally go, I'm going to be very disappointed with what's on the market these days.
    Well if you don't buy breathable waders, you won't be disappointed. There are still coated nylon, Neoprene and some rubberized canvas options out there.

    But if you do, expect "normal" to be about 20 years less than your Red Balls.

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    Re: wader repair

    Quote Originally Posted by Broadheadscreek View Post
    I to have sent in a pair of Orvis Silver Lable waders they are were 3 yrs old . The day after I bought them I went fishing and promply slipped and fell going down a leaf covered bank. Slidding on my a$$ for a few feet .When i got up and brushed myself off I discovered a rather large hole in them right over my wallet where I had hit a rock on the way down. So I went home got out the kit and repaired them and had never had a leak in them till this year.
    I always thought that patch was a drop seat...

    ...for emergencies.

    Maybe that's what AK saw floating down the creek and THAT'S why he doesn't wet wade!

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    Re: wader repair

    Thanks to all who have provided insights and suggestions.

    For the record the waders are 5 years old and probably worn 20 times. And I have had pin holes in the kness and have fixed them myself. But I was not able to fix the hole in the right boot myself and sent them off to Orvis for repair with a check for $30. They responded, "they can't be fixed" but we can make you an offer...." I declined the offer because I can't believe that the Orvis Co. who considers itself to be the premier fly fishing company in the US can't find a single pin hole in the right foot that was marked in yellow crayon!!

    Thus, I decided to go on line with NEFF and try to find someone or some shop who could fix the pin hole. I was never asking Orvis to make good on a new pair of waders, just wanted find someone who could affix some glue over the whole. Seems reasonable to me.

    Still open to any and all suggestions.

    Thanks to all,

    Bill H.


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    Re: wader repair

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    Re: wader repair

    If it's just a pin hole can't you fix it yourself with wader glue like Aquaseal ???


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    Re: wader repair

    Quote Originally Posted by W. R. Harrison View Post
    fly fishing company in the US can't find a single pin hole in the right foot that was marked in yellow crayon!!
    It sounds like you can see the hole or at least have the exact spot marked. Why can't you fix them?

    If you can see the pin hole, try Loon Sunset Wader Patch - this stuff is unbelievable! Put a dab on the hole, expose it to some sunlight and it is dry in minutes.

    I patched a pair of Orvis silver labels 7 years ago and still no leaks.


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    Re: wader repair

    WR:

    If the bootee is neoprene and you KNOW where the hole is, I'd go with Aquaseal like GARYB suggests. It works fantastic, stays pliable and is permanent, although I HIGHLY recommend wearing rubber gloves when you use it. It is almost impossible to get off your hands. It does take a while to cure unless you buy some Cotol 240 which is an accelerant.

    I also recommend buying the small tubes they now sell because once you open a tube, it's almost a 100% guarantee it will cure and become useless. You can find both Aquaseal & Cotol 240 in combo packs at many fly shops, scuba & marine supply stores.

    Keep in mind any glue will create a bump so IF you repair them on the inside of the foot, the bump may become uncomfortable so you may want to make the repair on the outside.

    If the bootee is made of breathable fabric, Simms among others sells a wader patch kit that contains Gortex patches & a tube of Aquaseal which makes a permenant repair.

    If the leak is in the bootee seam, things get tricky. A liberal slathering of Aquaseal works but apply lightly or you may find the repair uncomfortable.

    Any of these repairs is a piece of cake if you KNOW where the leak is.

    Good luck!

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