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    Single Foot vs Snake Guides

    Hello All,

    I was wondering if someone could tell me the difference between Single Foot and Snake Guides (other than appearance that is).

    Is there a performance advantage between them?

    Thank you for your help in advance!


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    Single foot guides are lighter and more expensive than snake guides. Also can be quicker to install and wrap on a rod. Only one side has to be wrapped to the rod. I do not think you will find a factory rod with single foot guides on it. Usually only done by custom builders.


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    I've heard from custom rod makers that snake guides actually shoot line better than single foot guides, but can't vouch for that personally.

    I do know that most Loomis factory rods come with single foot guides. They promote them as being better.

    So who's right? Maybe someone else here knows?


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    John is right, St.Croix and G-Loomis due offer single foot guides on their higher end rods. This reduces the weight on the blank which allows the blank to load and flex more which will shoot a line better.


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    The single footed guide also allows the rod to flex/load more. When wrapping a guide on with thread it puts a flat spot in the rod where it can't flex fully, w/ a snake guide the two wrappings cause a longer flat spot allowing the rod not to be able to flex/load as easily as a single footed guide. If you're building a rod for the first time i recommend using a snake guide, there easier to tape on and align before wrapping w/ thread.


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    The single foot guides will cast a line farther if you use the SIC ceramic inserts. They are stronger, lighter, and the surface is much slicker than a snake guide allowing the line to slide easier during the cast. Being lighter you get a truer feeling of what the blank is actually doing which also helps. The sensitivity is also translated through the SIC single foot guide much better than a snake.

    Hope this helps.

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    IMHO- I have built a large number of rods with both single foot and traditional snake guides. I find the actual performance in the hands of the average caster to be equal. Subtle changes in flexibility and weight produced by the single foot guides are neither noticible nor beneficial to the vast majority of us who are not into distance casting. The guide type does not make any difference in the critical area of placement and presentation. Granted, static tests of rod bend, etc will show a difference but this difference is of little or no advantage/disadvantage on the stream. As to preference, that is purly a personal issue - I happen to like the appearance of a rod wrapped with traditional snakes. As to weight - now think about it - how much less does a singel foot guide weight vs. a traditional snake guide, how much does the extra wrap actually add - doubt you could feel it.


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    I think the lighter the rod, the more single vs snake comes into play. I've casted a 10wt St Croix Legend Ultra with single foot guides, and I didn't notice a difference to snake guides on other fast action 10wts. But now I have the same rod in a 2wt, and the difference between the singles on it and the snakes on my old 3wt is big. I know there are inherent differences between the two rods to begin with, but all of that aside, it has a lot more flex with the single foot guides. There is also half the amount of wrapping on the St Croix blank, so it is lighter as well. All in all, both guides work just fine, but it all depends on what you like in a rod that will determine which is right for you.


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    Very well said Fly Ty R

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    I really don't know of anyone who says that single foot guides are lighter then snake foot guides who has actually weighed a comparative set of each! If you look at the SFG, each one actually has two feet. They are just stuck together. So I wonder if the weight issue is just a bunch of marketing bullsh*t.
    Also, think about this: Wouldn't it make sense that if the rod making companies thought SFGs actually improved the rods' performance, why don't they put them on all their (fly)rods? Don't say cost because the difference is negligible, except for the ones with inserts. Then the 'weight issue' comes back.
    Obviously it takes less time to wrap a SFG. You also use less thread and less coating material. Less (time + thread cost + less coating cost) = less total cost. So again, if a company can produce (all other things being equal) a rod with better performance and reduce costs by using SFGs, why aren't they doing it?

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    Sure, the actual metal in the guides may weigh the same, but with snake guides, there are two places for every guide that need to be wrapped and coated. That equals a doubling of thread and finish weight on snakes. It doesn't matter that the guides are the same, it's the things that attach them to the blank that increase. And when you are talking a few grams for each wrapping, it adds up after putting on 11 guides. I do agree that it can be a $$ saving scheme for manufacturors, though. I think some don't do it because the market is consumer driven, and a lot of people don't like SFG's. They do have drawbacks.


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    Snake Guides vs Single Foot Guides

    I will be building a 9 foot 5 weight Sage RPL Graphite III this winter. I got the rod several years ago from Sage as a warranty relplacement. My question: is there any reason not to use single foot ceramic lined guides on this rod. I have built several rods all with single foot guides and really liked them. I have been doing some research on this Sage blank and I have seen some conflicting infornation on the best guide to use. FYI the rod Sage replaced for me was a 9 ft. 5 wt. that I built with swingle foot guides.
    Any input welcome.
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    Joe Luebeck


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