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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Can you explain what a streamer is, never heard that one...

    appreciate someone from the council explaining the bird crap issue with runway nets. And I agree that enclosing the raceways is an expensive but sure fix (we would hope).

    So they decided to leave to raceways net free (to avoid potential perched bird shit) and instead used air canons and other devices to deter ?

    Are decisions like this voted on or resolved inside the division?... thanks.


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by Agust View Post
    First netting will make it worse, the birds perch on the net and crap where they perch. They have numerous bird aversion systems in place, including cannons (noise not howitzer), streamers, electric fences and assorted contrivances. Nothing is foolproof, except enclosure.

    Also please don't ignore the first item in the list. There are a number of fish (over 200,000) that were never exposed to the disease. These are not subject to the restrictions of the exposed and treated fish.

    The biggest impact will be the shortened stocking season, all fish being stocked before May 1st will mean lots of fish early in the season, and no fish late in the typical stocking season. That may mean less pressure when the big hatches come in May, but it may also mean less fish to rise tot he bugs.

    I encourage everyone to log on to the division web page and vote, and also plan to come to the March meeting and make you opinion known to the Division, DEp and the Fish and Game Council.

    (Full disclosure I am on the F&G Council.)

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    Agust if there were 200k fish not impacted are these the fish that will be stocked in the musky and Pequest. Also if these fish are clean why not stock them in the SBR. Question is more of a curiosity for me as I dont really fish in NJ.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    The early stocking is another experiment. I don't think the meat guys catch as many as most people think. IMHO stockies mostly disappear for other reasons. My guess is that the bait guys will quit early and leave they fish that adapted quicker for the fly guys. We will see how this plays out as well. However, those end of year browns do provide good late season dry fly action. I think that will fall off.

    Just as an aside, the famous trout streams of PA and NYS just get 2 or 3 stockings in the spring and the fishing stays all season. NJ is pretty rare in having 1 preseason and up to 6 in season stockings. Even the little Lopatcong got 5 stockings in the spring.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    Nice try, Mark, but you're not going to kick off some of the guys from your favorite NJ and PA WTS that easily
    ehhh..worth a shot ;-)

    I still think that if its naturally occurring, wild fish should be ok. Also no virus or bacteria is 100% mortal or contagious. In worst case scenario, wild pops drop temporarily. Immune fish can repopulate a stream within two years. They are resilient creatures.

    A bigger concern would be anglers harvesting wild trout. Wild trout would normally be thrown back but if they are the only option, I could see more wild browns being creeled at higher numbers(brookies & bows tend to be under the 9" minimum so they'll be alright). Thankfully most stocked TP waters have limited access so wild trout on private/posted sections will be off limits to the angling public and off the dinner menu.

    I trout fished less in 2013 than any year since 1987(that's 26 years) due to poor conditions(low flows mostly). I found fishing for pike, smb, lmb, pickerel, perch and sunfish was more than enough to satisfy my fishing lust. Heck most of those fish fight better, grow bigger and are easier to get. If you limit yourself to a specific species, your def missing out on some great experiences.


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Agust:
    Are you in a position to address the concern I expressed earlier in this topic?
    Quote Originally Posted by Pete View Post
    .......Should I be concerned that the Ramapo (non trout), is NOT on the list of waters "Directly connected to Trout Production Streams", and could get stocked with "trout treated for furunculosis", who may be potential carriers.

    Although the Ramapo is technically NT, it has several TP tributaries, including a WTS, and another found to contain heritage strain brook trout..............



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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    I think with the SBR, they just felt that stream has enough wild fish to allow it to take a year off the stocking list above Solitude. I'm also concerned about the wild fish being creeled, but catch and kill anglers won't be very interested in fishing a stream that hasn't been stocked since last fall like they will "normal" stocking areas in the Musky, Pequest, Paulins Kill, Flat Brook, etc.

    Like I've been saying, it's a big sandwich and everyone that fishes for trout in NJ has to take a bite.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Ok obvious question. At one time I recall the old hatchery took a hit and they bought fish from a federal hatchery. I'm guessing this was not an option for whatever reason

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    Ok obvious question. At one time I recall the old hatchery took a hit and they bought fish from a federal hatchery. I'm guessing this was not an option for whatever reason
    I take that to be the case. I do know they had discussions with at least other states, so I'm sure the federal hatcheries were discussed. But they (feds) don't just raise all sorts of extra fish "just because". I'm sure they can replenish brood stock, but that's thousands of fish, not the 600,000+ that Pequest raises annually.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Just looked at the Division's update and list of proposed stocking changes.

    Hopefully, waters like the Musky and Flatbrook are only going to receive the non-diseased fish. This still of course will not stop the enormous fishing pressure these waters will get.

    Question: Since many bodies of water will not be stocked, will the 3 week closed season still be in effect on those waters?

    Did anyone else notice that the Passaic River will get 24,000 trout from the Great Falls to the Dundee dam? Paterson.... the new trout Mecca!!!

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by Barleywine View Post
    Just looked at the Division's update and list of proposed stocking changes.

    Hopefully, waters like the Musky and Flatbrook are only going to receive the non-diseased fish. This still of course will not stop the enormous fishing pressure these waters will get.

    Question: Since many bodies of water will not be stocked, will the 3 week closed season still be in effect on those waters?

    Did anyone else notice that the Passaic River will get 24,000 trout from the Great Falls to the Dundee dam? Paterson.... the new trout Mecca!!!
    Still a few unanswered questions, but I don't see why they wouldn't still have the 3 week closure. If nothing else, it helps build up the Opening Day mentality of the large throngs that only fish opening day and some of the in-season stocking days after 5 pm. Yes, only fish testing negative that were never treated will be released into trout waters, but that's only 20% of the total reared trout, so expect a heck of a lot less fish this year.

    I'd like to see a no-kill for the upper SBR down to the Solitude dam if they plan zero stockings in that stretch for an emergency closure this year. Hard to say if that river will see a lot of angler traffic once word gets out that it isn't stocked, but those creeling fish would be taking out mostly wild fish with some holdovers mixed in and I don't know how long the resource can withstand a pounding like that. Bad situation regardless of how you deal with it. No winners, only losers.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    @rusty is the new no kill regulation only enforced at klg?


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by sneelhead View Post
    @rusty is the new no kill regulation only enforced at klg?


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    There and the new 4.2 mile stretch of the Flat Brook from rt. 206 downstream past Three Bridges to the (silver) Roy Bridge are our new no-kills, artificials only.

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