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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    How about not stocking over wild trout populations for a couple years and see how they do.....


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by lightenup View Post
    How about not stocking over wild trout populations for a couple years and see how they do.....
    They are trying to stay away from the main wild trout populations, but so many of our larger trout streams have at least one or more WTS that flow into these larger streams. And many, the Musky included, are scheduled to be stocked. That's what has to be carefully weighed.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by Rusty Spinner View Post
    They are trying to stay away from the main wild trout populations, but so many of our larger trout streams have at least one or more WTS that flow into these larger streams. And many, the Musky included, are scheduled to be stocked. That's what has to be carefully weighed.
    Rusty..there are two streams in particular that stocking should stop on...they ate not tribs of any large trout stream....they are not tribs......as there is a large blockage to the main river...I am sure you know the two I speak of...they both have wild browns and brookies..one may even have rainbows as well.....stocking should stop on both....


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    This is the big experiment. We are going to see what fishing is like in lots of places without stocking.

    Last year PA had hatchery problems and I saw more PA plates than ever along Warren County streams. I expect to see a lot more NJ plates at the Bushkill, Brodhead, Martins Ck, etc.


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by JeffK View Post
    This is the big experiment. We are going to see what fishing is like in lots of places without stocking.

    Last year PA had hatchery problems and I saw more PA plates than ever along Warren County streams. I expect to see a lot more NJ plates at the Bushkill, Brodhead, Martins Ck, etc.
    Good point and thats a bit disconcerting. Lets all buy some stockies for NJ

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by MACFLY View Post
    I assume no documented cases of infection with humans that we know of. The whole South Branch above the lake will not be stocked. SHould be interesting to see how the river does this year as a result.
    I can tell you how I think this will play out. I love the SBR and I am concerned about this. In a twisted way stockies protect wild populations from the “If I catch it I will keep it" crowd. Stocked fish are inherently dumber the native fish. Without that buffer. I see wild populations suffering the onslaught of the I am going to keep my limit guys. If that entire stretch is not made a no kill. Wild populations are going to suffer major decline.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by tomfly View Post
    I can tell you how I think this will play out. I love the SBR and I am concerned about this. In a twisted way stockies protect wild populations from the “If I catch it I will keep it" crowd. Stocked fish are inherently dumber the native fish. Without that buffer. I see wild populations suffering the onslaught of the I am going to keep my limit guys. If that entire stretch is not made a no kill. Wild populations are going to suffer major decline.
    I can certainly see the potential for that to happen although the strange thing is that while the SBR will not get fish the musky, pequest, and flatbrook among others will. I can certainly see guys driving over schoolys mt rather than fish the SBR. Also catching wild fish on the SBR is not going to be so easy for all the meat hunters. Still you could lose some wild fish for sure.

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    While it will suck having to deal with increased crowds ie at the musky and pequest..I bet the wilds in klg will prosper between lack of comp for food and decreased foot traffic and no kill policy.. in a yea from now klg may be a hell of a wild fishery


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Quote Originally Posted by sneelhead View Post
    While it will suck having to deal with increased crowds ie at the musky and pequest..I bet the wilds in klg will prosper between lack of comp for food and decreased foot traffic and no kill policy.. in a yea from now klg may be a hell of a wild fishery


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    The Gorge will probably benefit the most from this...I hope many creeks do.....How could they not? The wild fish in the stocked creeks have had the added competition every year......now they don't....most meat fishermen I know won't walk past the closest bridge, so, many of the wild fish will not be killed...and if they(the fish) have chosen to live by a bridge where meat heads go, they would be dead already....
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    I am excited to see what happens.....If it sucks, so much better the challenge to catch fish...or just drive to PA like MAC said....
    I do that anyway.....


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    Has the hatchery done anything yet to prevent birds from spreading the disease into the clean raceways? .. ex: Netted Raceways

    Is this really forward thinking? someone tell me its not this simple to fix.... thanks.


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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    First netting will make it worse, the birds perch on the net and crap where they perch. They have numerous bird aversion systems in place, including cannons (noise not howitzer), streamers, electric fences and assorted contrivances. Nothing is foolproof, except enclosure.

    Also please don't ignore the first item in the list. There are a number of fish (over 200,000) that were never exposed to the disease. These are not subject to the restrictions of the exposed and treated fish.

    The biggest impact will be the shortened stocking season, all fish being stocked before May 1st will mean lots of fish early in the season, and no fish late in the typical stocking season. That may mean less pressure when the big hatches come in May, but it may also mean less fish to rise tot he bugs.

    I encourage everyone to log on to the division web page and vote, and also plan to come to the March meeting and make you opinion known to the Division, DEp and the Fish and Game Council.

    (Full disclosure I am on the F&G Council.)

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    Re: 2014 NJ trout stocking changes due to disease at Pequest

    I overlooked the part saying all stocking is to take place before may1st..that sucks. Meat guys can and will clean everything out by the time stocking is over..especially in highly pressured areas like tcas which in my experience get POUNDED by worm dunkers during open regulation periods aka first month of the season. What a bummer..my favorite time to fish has always been may/June when meatheads fizzle out and the state starts dumping browns, etc into our streams.

    Guess I'll have to get my PA license again.


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