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    Quote Originally Posted by dcabarle
    This is sounding like the stories I've heard and read about regarding John Neimera. Basically, I'm running into the same crap with another maker.

    I think I told you guys a long time ago the John stand by his rods 100% no matter what happens. He Guarantees his rods for life. I have yet to have anything go wrong with my New or restoration rods . I’m sorry to here about your rod sounds like this guy is a major Di#K. Good luck . You casting style shouldn’t affect rod. If you would like to try one of my rods for the weekend let me know.

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    Eric,

    I know a few of you have had very similar issues with John in the past, but the guys at njtrout aren't the only people who I've heard from regarding issues with, John. On another note, it would appear from recent readings that he's changed his tune and now takes care of his customers. It sounds like you're happy with him.

    I know I've critisized John in the past and I was critisized by you for doing so. I wasn't critisizing John just for the hell of critisizing, John... I read something on NJTrout about people not being happy with him and cross posted about it on this site. I'll critisize anybody if they give 1/2 ass service, even someone I thought would have been a great dealer like Tim Zietak. Like I said though, it appears that John has been doing well by you guys and I probably shouldn't have brought his name up in this post. I'll edit his full name out of the message I posted about him because it's probably not a fair thing to do at this time. Hey, anyone can improve with time.

    Anyhow, thanks for the offer, but this weekend I'll have to spend some time with the family. I was away all week. Possibly next weekend though.


    Quote Originally Posted by Eric M
    I think I told you guys a long time ago the John stand by his rods 100% no matter what happens. He Guarantees his rods for life. I have yet to have anything go wrong with my New or restoration rods . I’m sorry to here about your rod sounds like this guy is a major Di#K. Good luck . You casting style shouldn’t affect rod. If you would like to try one of my rods for the weekend let me know.

    Eric M


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    ps.... Thanks wasn't specifically for the post, ... more for the "spend time with the family"

    How was training ??


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    Quote Originally Posted by dcabarle
    I wouldn't complain so much, but he originally told me 4-6 weeks and never made an attempt to contact me on his own, with a status. I honestly feel that had I not tried contacting him, I would have never heard from him again... Sorry, but that's how I feel. I understand that sometimes things happen, but had he only kept in touch to let me know, I would have been a bit more at ease and would have probably never posted this thread in the first place.
    From my professionsal experience, regardless of what any vendor tells you, you should consider it your obligation to follow up.

    You can say all you want about what people should do, but the fact is that if you are calling someone every week to ask the status, they will not forget about you, and not delay your job because someone else is pushing them harder than you.

    I deal with this all the time at work. When a vendor tells me that something has a three week lead time, in two weeks I'm calling to confirm we're still on schedule for the ship date.

    Perhaps you would be surprised how many times I've called a vendor to have them tell me that there was a problem, my order was never placed, there are delay, etc. Sometimes they even tell me the item has shipped already.

    I prefer not to be surprised, so I make it my job to follow up constantly. depending on the vendor, sometimes I call them daily. Sometimes several times a day.

    People are people. i.e. human, and they get distracted. Don't bash me here Dennis, I'm not disagreeing with you - I feel the same way that a good buisiness should contact their customers. However, when that occurs it is the exception, not the rule. If it's any comfort, from my experience it's much worse in Europe.

    This is one instance where the "squeaky wheel getting the grease" cliche is right on.

    Although as a mechanic, I usually say that the squeaky wheel is the first one to get replaced..


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    Scott,

    Unfortunately, you're right in this case. Some people will bend over backwards to make sure they give you a status and others just don't care. I can't blame myself for anything other than being foolish for thinking I'd get those updates every so often. That's life!

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    I spoke with my dad today regarding the '98' being a 4 wt rod. From casting it, he said no way is the rod a 4wt. He said that he did quite a bit of research on the rod and it turns out that it is a 5wt. They also made a '97' that is a 4wt. The difference between the '97' and '98' are in the butt section, the 5 is of course larger.

    He said that if you think about it, many rods can be over-lined / under-lined, it all depends on your casting style and how comfortable you are with casting a rod.

    He also dumped two of his Zietak rods to a guy out west. Well, not dumped, but traded two of Zietak's rods for 1 of this other guys rods.

    I'm still waiting for mine. Once the humidity lifts, I'm sure it will be at more door step, but I won't bother holding my breath for that one.

    How long does it take for a rod to dry? Anyone have any ideas? I don't doubt the weather plays a large part in the process, is 5 months typical? Ok, 5 months is exaggerating a bit. Let's say 3 months to repair the rod and another 1-2 months for it to dry... Does that sound about right?


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    Dennis,

    Here's what I found out about your Fathers Payne Taper Rods.

    The 98 is consider a 4wt believe it or not.Thramer Listed it as a 4wt along with others I found on a search.Not all I found were from Rod Builders.I found 1 Site that Listed it as a 4/5wt though.

    The 102H however I couldn't find any Info.But I think it may be considered a 5wt or 5/6wt.

    Another thing I was told by the Builder of my Quad.Don't Underline nor Overline the Rod.The Action will not retain,I highly recommending you using only a 4.He stated that Quads weren't like their Counterparts,that their more delicate.


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    Dennis I was on another Computer and saw your Response about that Payne Taper.My Reply was Based on Bamboo Rod Builders "Preference" to what makes the Rod Load good.One Builder may say that the 98 takes 4wt Line while another will say 5wt line.It depends on your Casting Style and Preference at the end.

    Now my Quad is having the same problem!I noticed my Tip of the Rod was bent in the direction the fish was fighting.Then I moved to another section of the Stream I was fishing to fish again and pulled some Line off my Rod as I normally would do and noticed that 6-7 Inches down the Tip was bent like I was bringing in a small fish.Now with my Tip and now Tip lower Section bent I stood there and thought of your Post.I read else where that giving the Rod a good wiggle and hanging it with your Reel on the Rod would restraighten it.I tried both and the only thing that worked was giving it a good Wiggle.Now that took the Crookedness out the Tip some what but didn't do nothing for the lower Tip Section so I just turned the Rod around and applied pressure to the Rod and it straightened out.I have another Hex Bamboo Rod that has not showed any form of "Sets" at all and wonder if it's because of the Construction.

    Now from my observation of fishing all I can come up with is that this is happening solely because of the Material it is.The Bamboo is gaining Memory in the Tip after fighting a Fish because it would do the same thing as a Tree if a good amount of wind was blowing at it from one direction or if someone pulled on it with alittle force in one direction.Because of this I personally don't think we can do anything about Sets if it occurs but apply force to the opposite side you have your Set to restraighten your Rod,or bend it slightly with you fingers in the opposite direction of your Set.After I did this I decided to do a little study of my own.Since I believed this was problem was the Material I made "Intensional Sets" by taking line out since that was what made my Tip Section Set before.I did it in the Front and then "Restraightened" it with no problems.Did the Back and Restraightened" it again with no problems.Now I repeatedly did this hopeing I wouldn't really do anything to ruin the Rod and I didn't.I repeatedly casted out 50-75 ft so see Casting would Set it and it did not!!I watched the Tip like a hawk and saw that me Casting that range wasn't putting enough energy in the Tip to Set it.After that "Test" I decided to just fish and continued to catch fish on Top and Bottom and noticed that the only the place that received the most pressure would be Set.Again a Simple bit of Pressure to the opposite side straightened it.I also noticed that the way I was fighting fish was actually also contributing to the Sets!!I would use the Tip to do most of the fighting keeping my Eblow Up Straight at 12 o clock,I changed and repositioned my Arm to 9-10 o clock letting the Butt Section take the abuse and noticed a big difference,the Sets weren't as great!Letting the fish apply to much pressure to the Tip when they're first hooked is the big mistake.They dart in different directions with force that good enough to create "Crooked Sets" or when we think their done and hooked the Tip straight up to slide the fish to use then they give the last dash with all their might!I actually began holding my Rod slightly parelleled to the Water while fighting fish.Only when the fish is about finished is when I reposition to 12 o clock.

    This is my "Opinion" on why our Quads are getting the funy Sets so keep an open mind.


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    Dennis,

    I wrote" I was on another Computer and saw your Response about that Payne Tapers" and when I went home I didn't see that Reply of the Payne or Bill Sell's Reply I saw when I was at work.


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    Rolemodel, Haven't Had Time To Reply Back But A Payne 98 Is A 5wgt. A Payne 97 Is The 4 Wgt. Thank's Though For Looking It Up For Me.


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    On a much brighter note, Tim Zietak sent me an email today letting me know that my rod is in the mail and I should recieve it by Saturday or so.

    I can't wait to get it back and see what has been done to it!

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    Got home yesterday and there was a nice sized rectangular box on my doorstep... I opened the box and there she was, my Bamboo rod in all of its glory!

    Well, I checked it out and it looked great. I put it together, took it apart, ferrules POPPED perfectly. It seams as if Tim re-wrapped a bit of the rod, possibly both tips, or even made 2 new tips. They are different, but looked great. The ferrules were definetely replaced with new ones.

    I haven't cast the rod yet, but hopefully when I do, it won't go cock-eyed again. Overall, I think Tim did a good job repairing the tips.

    I'll keep everyone posted.

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